2014-05-22 Gamberg Interview & DNA

Re: 2014-05-22 Gamberg Interview & DNA
Post by Snoho17 » Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:33 am

The bloody finger print was found by the front door, in pics you can see the evidence marker #66

Re: 2014-05-22 Gamberg Interview & DNA
Post by CAMFaults » Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:26 pm

Let me get this straight. The quoted info from 5/22/14, 6/3/14, and 7/25/14 was written by former PCSO deputy Mike Gamberg (in the compacity as a special investigator under Sheriff Hagwood to work on the Keddie case) in an email or post to Keddie 28.com? Did Gamberg directly post this to the Keddie28 forum or did Gamberg share the info in an email and then Dmac posted it to the forum? And the paragraph beginning with "141024" was written by Dmac? Then the last paragraph was written by Gamberg?

I have so many issues with this info being shared in a public forum. Firstly, results of a DNA match to a suspect should not be disclosed to anyone outside of the investigation when the logical conclusion would be the arrest of the suspect matching the DNA evidence. There was not an arrest for the supposed DNA match to the evidence. Secondly, I don't believe the authenticity of this information. Gamberg's credibility is questionable and we all Dmac plays fast and loose with information pertaining to his theory. Thirdly, Cates appears to me as one of the many people who have latched onto this case for their 15 minutes of fame. Justin was once again a pawn.

In conclusion, I file this correspondence under questionable as I do with anything involving Dmac and Gamberg.

Re: 2014-05-22 Gamberg Interview & DNA
Post by Alonso Quijano » Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:34 pm

Thanks for getting that straight. If you did. I find this stuff hard to follow and shady AF even when it's all untangled. Makes no sense.

Re: 2014-05-22 Gamberg Interview & DNA
Post by Hope » Sun May 01, 2022 12:41 am

Well said Cam. This is something that deserves more attention brought to it and a proper write up with more information and dates. I do not agree with how Justin was treated and the entire situation handled, especially after the DNA match was identified. And I'm specifically talking about the 2013-2019 investigation.

I question the authenticity of the DNA match as well. Why was this report not released? It wasn't even summarized. The report mentions "a possible DNA match" but doesn't include a name. Dmac then switches from apparently quoting Gamberg's report verbatim as he had been to simply writing: "Then follows several entries regarding the match of Justin's DNA to evidence in the CS". Well what did these "several entries" actually say? Why wasn't one single bit from these entries quoted? How do we know that possible DNA match really pertained to Justin?

There's another reason I question it. This is from the summaries 28 posted of Don Stoy's files:



Of course the actual report wasn't uploaded but it's confirmation Justin's prints were obtained and compared to those found at the scene back in. Which leads to two possibilities:

1.) Justin's print was identified on that tape back in April 1981, therefore his DNA should have been no surprise. The information wasn't a huge breakthrough, it had been known all along

2.) Justin's fingerprints were not found on the tape in 1981, so then how was he able to touch that piece of tape without leaving a fingerprint? 

It also makes it highly likely his fingerprints were not found on any of the weapons. If they had been it's hard to believe that information didn't make its way into not one of the police reports. Especially ones where LE are questioning what Justin may or may not have seen. Had they identified his prints on a weapon they would have known he wasn't sleeping/dreaming. It also shows there is nothing to back up the ridiculous claim of forced participation by children.


Anyway, yes the OP is information contained in one of Gamberg's reports which he gave to 28. It is my understanding all physical reports were handed over, contained in several binders. This occured in 2020, one year after Gamberg was let go from the case. The actual report has not been uploaded, the above was 28 summarizing the report, some entries verbatim and others not.

In regards to Justin's supposed DNA match, Gamberg leaked that information to 28 one year prior to revealing it in Metcalf's Plumas News article. 28 was informed of the hit and for one year misrepresented the information to the public. Over a years period, several posts were made to his forum and public FB page stating they now had proof Justin participated. That his DNA was identified on a "weapon" in the "kill zone". People were questioning/assuming it was found on one of the knives or the hammer. A piece of discarded tape found on the floor does not equal a weapon. It could have been on the floor to begin with. Claiming the tape was found in the "kill zone" is misleading as well.

Right before the Plumas News article went live, a post was made filling people in "the upcoming article will reveal what I have not, Justin's DNA was found on a piece of tape…". The headline of that first article was DNA matched to a living suspect identified. Gamberg is quoted as stating the same thing, he did not name Justin but referred to him as a living suspect. From the reports and bits & pieces which have been released, this is how it appears the situation was handled:

1.) Justin is the one who initiated contact with Gamberg. He had been on the case for one year at this point and Justin reached out to him, not vice versa.
2.) DNA is collected
3.) Supposed match identified 2014
4.) Justin informed - 1 year later. No further interviews conducted with Justin.
5.) Next thing to occur is the Plumas News article where he is being referred to as a living suspect

It appears no effort was made to try and get through to or connect with Justin. It kinda blows my mind. If, in Gamberg's mind this DNA match represented proof Justin was a witness or participated, why wasn't it used to his advantage? Why did he sit on the information, barely speak with Justin about it, do no follow up and then destroy any chance of gaining his trust or getting answers by publicly calling him a suspect? Unreal.

Re: 2014-05-22 Gamberg Interview & DNA
Post by kmik » Sun May 01, 2022 3:10 am

From the revealing of a DNA match to present, the only person to say that Justin "participated" some way in these murders is Dmac. Justin was never outed in that Plumas News article (as Dmac claimed- and hoped - he would be).

His DNA on the tape is like the prints on the bulb - Justin admitted to being in the living room trying to stop the bleeding on Sue - and Sheila lived in 28.

As you said we have never heard any of Justin's interviews from 1981 or read any reports on how they were conducted but I see no problem with how they treated him in 1981 (he was being questioned as a possible witness) - but Mike Gamberg is responsible for what has happened and been shared since 2013 (and probably further back than that with Josh).

Mike G taking case files home is one thing but him taking the ENTIRE case file home and handing it over to a (lunatic) civilian is another and Sheriff Johns absolutely should have put a stop to it in 2020. I do know that many of us contacted PCSO in 2020 so he was well aware of what was going on - on his watch.

Re: 2014-05-22 Gamberg Interview & DNA
Post by Joe McPlumber » Sun May 01, 2022 5:31 pm



Yup. If it was strewn around he could've stepped on it and got it stuck to his foot.

And maybe nobody official officially said Justin participated but they hinted it and they let their unofficial mouthpiece say it all over the place without contradiction.

This is all just deplorable, unprofessional behavior, and lack of behavior, all around.

Re: 2014-05-22 Gamberg Interview & DNA
Post by Snoho17 » Sun May 01, 2022 9:31 pm

Where was the tape pulled from, and if it came off a victim where's their DNA?

Re: 2014-05-22 Gamberg Interview & DNA
Post by Hope » Sun May 01, 2022 9:59 pm

Exactly. That's never been clarified or even an attempt made to do so. And that's an important detail. It was on the floor when collected by PCSO and if Justin's DNA was the only DNA identified on it then it never touched a victim

Two things I couldn't agree with more:

1.) Kmik's statement:


2.) Ken Mains statement that publicly calling Justin a suspect was RECKLESS

Re: 2014-05-22 Gamberg Interview & DNA
Post by Snoho17 » Tue May 03, 2022 6:23 am

on the one hand, it's very frustrating realizing how accepting (and for how long) of what was being told I/we were. I'm so grateful to have found a group that said, "hey, we gotta question everything and be open to new perspectives."

1) Those boys were going hard all day, so yeah I can see them sleeping through, all of keddie did. But also...

2) Ever been truly terrified as a child? pull the blankets over your head and hope your invisible, and that high level of anxiety is absolutely exhausting. Note: My own home life was pretty chill and dare I say even kinda nurturing. But I spent plenty of nights with friends and neighbors who weren't so lucky.

3) Locards principal is the gold standard in investigating a crime scene. I believe it's possible Justin peeked out the door, but if he had been in the actual "kill zone" he should have taken some of that back with him.

4)IFF Justin had peeked out the door, he absolutely could see into the living room. We've seen the photo. So IFF he saw Tina come down the hall, and get grabbed, and not get dragged out the front door, why wouldn't he say she'd been taken out the back? Wouldn't that be the logical assumption? I'm glad that officer checked it out but for me, I think in this instance they took what he said too literally.