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Post by snoho17 on Oct 6, 2021 6:08:20 GMT
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Post by Hope on Oct 8, 2021 21:37:22 GMT
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Post by joemcplumber on Mar 15, 2022 2:42:16 GMT
The most damning reading of this letter still has only a whiff of "look what you made me do". I don't like speculating on how other ppl should or shouldn't behave but if that theory were true i think if i were Marty i'd be harping on that pretty heavy. "You mean i done murder at your insistence and i don't even get laid?"
And he's incensed, desperate, practically fixated, but never hints anything like "you come back to me or I'll tell what you and your boyfriend know".
The main problem here is he calls his kids "four people" rather than the more obvious "my kids". That's kinda jarring and could be a,,.. whatever you call a non-sexual double entendre. For plausible deniability, in context with the rest of the letter, while letting Marilyn know that he knows she knows what he knows. That's the crux of my problem with the Marty Done It story, that he went out of his way to let people think he was a murderer but only actually said it, supposedly, to his shrink. Was he guilty and hoping to get caught? Or was he innocent and trying to frighten people to his own ends? I believe Nina's story about the "needing to finish what he started" thing because it's consistent with all his other seemingly intentional ambiguities.
Even so esp. given his other outbursts and double-whatevers, i'm not ready to categorically say this letter is only about his kids.
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Maybe it's just called a double entendre. That and please give back your love "at least once" lol.
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Post by kmik on Mar 15, 2022 4:25:54 GMT
I don’t know Joe but I think it’s safe to say that Sue, Johnny,Tina nor Dana were his “flesh and blood” nor “four of the most precious things in his life”
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Post by Hope on Mar 15, 2022 5:50:54 GMT
These are some of the things I think about regarding the letter. Based on the transcript & audio of his interview, I don't believe Marty would have bothered with or been smart enough to disguise a "confession"
into a letter while pretending to talk about his kids. He didn't expect anyone besides Marilyn to see it, so why go through all the trouble, just as you wrote, I think straightforward "look what you made me do for you" would be more his style.
He starts off by saying he is writing the letter after their phone conversation on 4/27. He begins talking about the kids and continues talking about their kids with the "four people's lives" squeezed in the middle. Well first of all, if they were having phone conversations wouldn't he have reminded her "look what I did for you" over the phone instead of in writing? Anyway, it reads like things were said in that conversation that made him bring the kids up more. Ie Marilyn telling him "you didn't treat my kids good". For all we know Marilyn could have previously told him "it's your kids or me" - he gave his kids up for her.
It appears Marty didn't have a typical relationship with his children, at least back then. In her old posts, Marilyn said his kids never called him dad, they called him Marty. Two of his kids lived with them for a period of time, then they went back to live with their mom. Her description made it sound as if they were a handful and I can see her telling Marty they had to go. It was said their mom had some substance abuse issues for a period of time & Marilyn's aunt told LE that Marty had four kids but some of them were in foster care. If they were placed in foster care after Marty sent them back to their mom, it probably did feel like he had ruined their lives.
In Marilyn's posts & in her 2016 interview she said he had 4 kids. When Marty's daughter, Christina showed up on the old forums to defend her dad, Marilyn said "I thought your name was Missy". Sounds like she wasn't aware of Christina. We know he did have 5 kids, but the dynamics of their family situation sound complicated & we have no way of knowing the complete situation. But there was some reason he specifically mentioned 4 of his kids.
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Post by mew1987 on Mar 15, 2022 6:48:54 GMT
Please remind me how many children did Marty have including step children
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Post by kmik on Mar 15, 2022 14:18:40 GMT
It's been said that he had 5 children and 3 steps if you include Marilyn's children. I agree with Hope he obviously specified "4" because of whatever situation the children were in and maybe he was only able to see 4 of them for whatever reason (they were in foster care maybe). From what I have seen and heard, blending two families together ain't the Brady Bunch.
Marilyn obviously only had Casey when they moved to Keddie (according to Jan Albin Lori lived with Aunt Joan) and Justin didn't move there until around October (?) so from the letter he seemed to be saying he was sorry for being jealous of her but he had given up his kids to be with her and she wanted him to be good to hers but she wasn't good to his and it was a source of contention for them.
Marty had no reason to write a letter to Marilyn in "code". This case was not what it is today and surely he never thought that LE, let alone the public, would ever be reading and scrutinizing a letter to his wife. By the time he wrote the letter she had filed for divorce so I'm sure it was a plea for her to come back to him.
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Post by joemcplumber on Mar 15, 2022 19:13:01 GMT
Why not when he did so many other things in code. "You know I got ($her) Meeks". "Where's ($the_dope)?". "Gotta finish ($what_i_started)" etc.
He's clearly wasn't stupid.
Did Marilyn say he even gave a shit abt his kids, apart from this letter? Did they have previous arguments over them? Sorry i haven't waded around in the archives like y'all.
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Post by snoho17 on Mar 15, 2022 20:49:28 GMT
Marilyn specifically said Marty had a kid named "Johnny, Missy, and 2 others"
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Post by kmik on Mar 15, 2022 22:31:26 GMT
The letter starts as a plea for her to come back - that he knows he's jealous of her but for what he'd given up (his kids) that he should be. Then he wrote of how she wanted him to love her kids and he did but that he gave his up for her and now she was done with him. I see no code with the letter or the jailhouse exchange - he was probably lashing out at Wade for being with Marilyn and probably trying to scare Wade by screaming about dope - plus it happened within a 20 minute time frame with the deputy later retelling what he had heard.
When LE wrote up the jailhouse exchange report Wade didn't mention he thought Marty was involved in the murders and only repeated things Marilyn had told him
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Post by mew1987 on Mar 16, 2022 0:55:26 GMT
Ok so this could be way off but could “bought with four people’s lives” mean hurting his children in the process
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Post by snoho17 on Mar 16, 2022 4:36:13 GMT
That's how I took it mew, I believe his kids ended up in foster care. I do wonder what their living arrangements were before, seems to me Marilyn said they were homeless in Oregon? I think he was playing the guilt card, but those kids were probably taken or turned over to DSHS
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Post by snoho17 on Mar 16, 2022 8:47:31 GMT
So I went for a dive again, and again wondered off track but I'm looking at a post where Marilyn goes into Marty's background. "It is true Marty has a daughter Michelle aka Missy, a son Johnny and 2 other children."...."his children were in the foster care system for awhile. That was in Salem Oregon." 4 children she states, not 5.
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Post by Hope on Mar 16, 2022 9:12:01 GMT
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Post by kmik on Mar 16, 2022 11:26:50 GMT
Thanks for finding that post. I think Mew summed it up that Marty felt he had hurt his children. I think he felt a lot of guilt for hurting them (pushing them aside to please Marilyn) and now she was gone
I completely get what he was saying
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