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Post by snoho17 on Mar 29, 2022 7:05:12 GMT
I honestly don't know how he hasn't gotten his own thread here yet! I posted this to our FB a bit ago and figure we need one Craig W. 2006 "I HAVE SAID THERE ARE MANY HOLES TO MP'S THEORY
AND STATED THAT AND THERE ARE ALOT OF THINGS
THAT MAKES SENSE TOO SO WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE US?
THE YELLOW HOUSE IS A FACTOR BECAUSE OF BOTH RICHARD
AND MYSELF SAYING DRUGS WERE RIPPED OFF THERE AND
ALSO THAT THE RIPOFF I DESCRIBE AND HAPPENED WAS WITH
JOHN JOHN AND DANA WHO WERE MURDERED 5 DAYS LATER...
APRIL 6TH WAS IST RIPOFF OF YELLOW HOUSE AND THE MURDERS
HAPPEN ON APRIL 11TH.
IF IT WAS JUST ME SAYING THAT IST RIPOFF HAPPEN THEN YOU MIGHT
DOUBT MY WORD AND SOME DO BUT RICHARD SAID A 2ND RIPOFF
HAPPEN WAY AFTER THE MURDERS SO THIS SORTA OF CONNECTS
THE FACTS DRUGS WERE IN THAT YELLOW HOUSE AT ONE TIME
ALREADY AND WHY NOT SOONER THAT DRUGS WERE IN THAT SAME
YELLOW HOUSE THAN THE RIPOFF RICHARD DESCRIBES... IN
6 MONTHS EARLIER THAN HIS DESCRIPTION OF THE 2ND DRUG
RIPOFF OF THE YELLOW HOUSE WAY AFTER THE MURDERS.
THE DIFFERENCE IN MP'S THEORY AND THE IST DRUG RIP OFF
TIMELINE IS REALLY SWITCHING THE TWO RIPOFFS AROUND
IN MP'S- THE YELLOW HOUSE RIPOFF COMING IST (APRIL 6TH)
AND THEN THE CAR LOAD THE NIGHT OF THE MURDERS (APRIL
11TH)..THE ORIGINAL DRUG RIPOFF TIMELINE IS THE CAR LOAD
OF DRUGS WAS RIPPED OFF FIRST AT A UNKNOWN TIME AND DATE
AND THEN THE YELLOW HOUSE DRUG RIPOFF HAPPEN ON APRIL 6TH.
BOTH HAVE GOOD REASONS TO BELIEVE THEM AND BOTH HAVE
HOLES THAT MAKE IT NOT SO EASY TO BELIEVE AND NEEDS TO
BE EXPLAINED.
SO AGAIN WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US...JUST ONE YELLOW
HOUSE THAT FITS IT ALL AND STILL AN UNDETERMINED TIMELINE
OF EVENTS.
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Craig
Mar 29, 2022 19:50:37 GMT
Post by camfaults on Mar 29, 2022 19:50:37 GMT
Where was the yellow house? This is a fascinating post.
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Craig
Jun 20, 2023 1:48:16 GMT
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Post by lynabus on Jun 20, 2023 1:48:16 GMT
Where was the yellow house? This is a fascinating post. Fascinating indeed and I am wondering if the yellow house Craig was referring to was Cabin 28. I remember thinking years ago in the forums that Craig was shutdown everytime he would post, and I always wondered if he did in fact know what happened.
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Craig
Jun 21, 2023 19:02:54 GMT
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Post by snoho17 on Jun 21, 2023 19:02:54 GMT
Hi lynabus! Im remembering some old back and forth about the yellow house, seems to me someone said it was in Quincy next to or behind a church? If I come back across I will post it
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Craig
Jun 24, 2023 20:40:14 GMT
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Post by kmik on Jun 24, 2023 20:40:14 GMT
I’ve also wondered a lot about Craig and what he told and why he was constantly being shut down by the Meeks - but then again the Meeks always tried to shut down anyone who tried to think outside of the Marty box.
The drug angle seems to be what LE zeroed in on but I’m beginning to wonder if that is because for 35 years they were not able to establish who took the boys home and when - so that allowed for a lot of talk and speculation to creep in. It appears a lot of young people were drinking, smoking pot and partying (not unlike many young people today) so it’s understandable that LE looked at that angle - even DT (on the documentary) implied a drug angle being the motive - but at that time he had no idea how the boys got home - but now we do know.
I think people were sincere in their thoughts on that angle but after knowing what we know today, 42 years later, I wonder if that had anything at all to do with the murders and may have actually derailed the investigation. Shame on Cruzita and Kathy for not being truthful in 1981.
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Craig
Jul 1, 2023 9:29:08 GMT
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 1, 2023 9:29:08 GMT
Apparently Craig was talking about the "holes in the walls" before the first doc came out in 2005? I saw this in an exchange between NR and Keddie 2. Keddie2 was a local familiar with Dana and Tina. K2 was a local and Im surprised neither NR or K2 had heard of the holes. "e: Keddie Murders Apr 14, 2005 2:36 PM Report Abuse No, I don't ride BMX. If I had time to ride anything, it would be a motorcycle. I thought you might say that about Johnny and Dana. But why do what they did because of a beef? And was Dana even supposed to be there that night? It looks like that old post needs to be found. As I remember, it was back around Oct. 14. I did see things about the holes on the first part of the site, but they don't seem to be there now. This case doesn't "belong" to DeCrona, it just happened on his turf. When push comes to shove, the final authority is Bill Lockyer. Like it says on the top of a complaint, it's "The People of the State of California vs Joe Blow". Remember the SLA trial here in Sacto a couple of years ago? If our DA had not filed, the DA of Los Angeles County publically stated he would try the case. And this was for a murder at the intersection of Marconi and Fair Oaks Blvd. in Carmichael. It will take a lot of waving red flags in this case, but it can be done. And Bill might be a candidate for Governor next year, good horse to ride on. I did make a couple of posts, lets see what happens. keddie2 keddie2 Posts: 12 Registered: 4/7/05 (17 of 53) Re: Keddie Murders Apr 14, 2005 10:45 AM Report Abuse i'll try to answer the best i can. I don't know if Craig W's is his real name. You are a flatlander and ride bmx? apparently he is into that hot and heavy ever hear of him? Anyways Chuck Walke bragging? heck didn't even know till Brooke brought it up on the board. He might say something like that to get the noterity, but that's all. I really dought he did it.. I am just guessing but if there was a target I'd say it would be Johnny and Dana? Why that's the million dollar question... The murders could've had a car parked close by?? no one knows how they did this and not made a sound.. Like i have said on the Keddie site that town has an attraction to ghosts and some are down right evil!! Please any chance u get feel free to ask questions. You said u've taken a train picture there well, I grew up there and my older sister still lives there. No I didn't post that it was 3 young guys. This Marty Smart guy, i don't remember him or what he looks like and have been trying to get some sorta discription of him from Craig, other than he's a bad person.. And by the way your questions aren't weird. Theres too many unanswered questions and I believe that it would do good to have the investigators investigated.. Even the FBI if nessecary! They all messed up evidence, altho I really don't think that ALL the evidence is gone. I also wonder how Craig got the idea that there were holes in the walls. I know the cops supposedly cut holes in the walls for evidence of blood.. I just wish i could remember more........
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Post by kmik on Jul 1, 2023 18:39:02 GMT
It’s possible he got that info from the FRB. I know that was told in a 1987 article on the murders and probably many after.
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Craig
Jul 1, 2023 21:56:32 GMT
Post by snoho17 on Jul 1, 2023 21:56:32 GMT
Ahhh, thanks Kmik! That grabbed my attention because I feel like the people discussing it should have been aware of it also. I can see NR pulling every article he could find, but as I very well know, things just slip by sometimes:)
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Craig
Jul 1, 2023 23:42:20 GMT
Post by kmik on Jul 1, 2023 23:42:20 GMT
That was just a thought
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Craig
Jul 13, 2023 4:44:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 4:44:35 GMT
Number one.. this is Craig Walters
Number two is I was there at the time that this all went down and I did not lie about that and I could get my old records from FRC.. Feather River College to show you that I took classes there from 1980-1982 and I lived in those apartments near the college.
Number three... I am not going to say anything about the Yellow House, but it was in East Quincy and behind a church and was a drug house! It was ripped off and all I know was remembering where it was and that it was in East Quincy behind a church
I am a flatlander bmxer and raced bmx from 1975-1983...I stopped just after pretty much getting back from the hell place called Quincy and started to go to Golden Gate Park in August 1984 or so, yes I am stil into Flatland Bmx, so you know!
The holes in the wall was an reference to the knives holes and at the time I knew about them and had nothing to do with the PCSO cutting holes in the wall for blood samples as stated above and that was not what I meant!
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Craig
Jul 13, 2023 17:27:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 17:27:08 GMT
kmik....
I always thought Marty Smart was a bit shifty and untrustworthy to say the least and there were some I knew that I did not trust at all and then some that I did and well they turned on me it seems. At this point, I have no idea why I trusted anyone at all up there, WELL EXCEPT JOHN GALLAGHER, who was the recreation teacher at FRC.
How did I hear about the holes in the walls and knives holes and I think it was either Laronda Meeks or Monte that told me about them and Laronda would have a direct way to find such things out, since her brother was supposedly dating Shelia Smart at time... late 1980's-1981 timeline area!
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Craig
Jul 14, 2023 8:46:26 GMT
Post by Hope on Jul 14, 2023 8:46:26 GMT
Craig, no worries we all know you absolutely were in Quincy & attending FRC just as you always said. Never understood why people would dispute this back on the old forums.
Putting this out there to set the record straight. There are 1981 Feather River Bulletin articles verifying this. The beating Craig has previously posted about is also documented in the FRB.
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Craig
Jul 15, 2023 1:20:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 1:20:59 GMT
Damn they are.. the beating and okay can you get ahold of that article and I know that is a lot to ask you but I want to see what it says and by the way... what I said in the other post as I apologize again and I am not saying anyone was disrespecting people i Knew up there in Quincy, who are in this forum or this forum period as everyone has been "RESPECTFUL IN THIS FORUM".
THANK YOU AND AGAIN I AM SORRY IF I CAME OFF THAT WAY!
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Craig
Jul 15, 2023 12:01:57 GMT
Post by karis on Jul 15, 2023 12:01:57 GMT
Feather River Bulletin December 9, 1981
Craig D Walters of Quincy reported December 5 that he had been beaten by two young men behind the Plumas Pines Shopping Center in Quincy. An investigation is underway.
Feather River Bulletin September 23, 1981
The emergency staff at Plumas District Hospital in Quincy reported on September 7 that a Craig D Walters was admitted to the emergency room, the victim of an apparent severe beating. The case is under investigation and the sheriff's department refused to give any additional information.
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Craig
Jul 25, 2023 7:25:28 GMT
Post by snoho17 on Jul 25, 2023 7:25:28 GMT
So were these two separate beatings?
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