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Post by Hope on Oct 8, 2021 1:42:26 GMT
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 11, 2021 23:59:26 GMT
Bringing these over here. *these are not wounds from any of the keddie victims. These are examples of "pistol whipping" and "butt stroking" and they are pretty dang similar to wounds suffered by Sue. www.bevfitchett.us/gunshot-wounds/bluntforce-injuries-from-firearms.htmlFigure 9.4 (A) Triangular laceration with underlying depressed skull fracture caused by pistol butt. (B) Rectangular lacerations of scalp from magazine well and base of magazine of 9-mm pistol. fractures may be present (Figure 9.4). The butt of a rifle may also be used to beat a victim. Figure 9.5 shows an individual, who after being shot, had his jaw broken with the butt of a .22 rimfire rifle. From Wikipedia "A buttstroke or butt-stroking is the act of striking someone with the buttstock of a rifle, shotgun, or similar long gun. It is a common case of the use of a firearm as a blunt weapon. Buttstroke is among the major offensive techniques with the rifle and bayonet in close-at-hand combat and is the recommended method of close combat if the rifleman has no bayonet or sidearm available.[1][2] Buttstrokes are implemented by a variety of combatants, often trained in a series of transitioned movements to prevent wasted motion and ensure that aggressor is able to make repeated attacks or quickly parry or guard following a failed attempt.[2][4] Buttstrokes can be combined with kicking and kneeing an opponents lower body to further increase effectiveness and provide more variety to routes of attack.[5][6] Buttstrokes carry the risk of damaging ones weapon and by some schools of thought are considered best a method of last resort, recommending the use of bayonets if possible when engaged in close quarters combat.[7] Even if relying primarily on bayonets, a buttstroke may still prove effective as a transitional move following a failed bayonet charge, bringing the butt of the gun in a vertical, upward swing into the combatants groin.[7] Part of the butt stroke training regimen involves hitting padded dummies, alongside working through drills with partners in order to avoid damaging ones weapon.[5][7][8]
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 12, 2021 1:04:56 GMT
I tried embedding the video here but "For network administrators: You will need to add youtube.com to the firewall allowlist." so for now Ill post the link showing how this strike is made with a rifle. We noticed where the initial strike landed (video) and think this could account for at least one of the ear wounds on at least one of the victims. However its been noted that Johns ear wound was "incised" as if someone deliberately tried to cut it off, going to have to take another look. I do believe if this is the way it went down, 1) the tactical maneuver would be known to a combat vet and 2) Their were soldiers that fought in vietnam (and south east asia before) that were known to cut ears off as trophies. Dee Lake claimed vets were looked at because of the knots, a clove hitch is taught to every boy scout, climber, logger, sailor, farmer ect ect, so I think it was something else....
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Post by Hope on Jan 22, 2022 1:43:30 GMT
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Post by Hope on Jan 22, 2022 1:45:56 GMT
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Post by Hope on Jan 22, 2022 1:57:18 GMT
This is a screenshot from the ID People Magazine Investigates episode. I wish the writing was legible, a lot of important information there. Information that would prove whether those stab wounds were made premortem or postmortem.
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Post by snoho17 on Jan 23, 2022 0:03:47 GMT
Unpopular opinion time. Back when I first heard sue had defensive wounds that suggested she "faught like hell", I certainly wasn't picturing these wounds. Nothing on the palms?
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Post by kmik on Jan 23, 2022 5:48:52 GMT
Snoho the autopsies are really greek to me and not something I really read a lot or understand but you got me curious. This is from Sue's autopsy report:
The report does say the left palm is unremarkable but it looks like (and I have no idea if this is correct) that she had bruising on the ventral surface of the wrist and 1/2 inch zone of dull red abrasion on palm along with a 1/4 inch superficial cut at the base of the index finger. I've always thought Sue fought with the killer but was she on the offense or defense? Were her hands clinched in a fist if she was fighting?
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Post by kmik on Jan 30, 2022 3:47:23 GMT
I wonder if Sue was stabbed through her gown or under. Either way do y’all think it’s possible that touch dna would still be on it? Somebody had to have touched the victims clothing
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Post by Hope on Feb 8, 2022 8:28:41 GMT
Absolutely kmik!! Other cases have been solved that way. All that evidence & advances in DNA, everything should be assessed, prioritized & sent off. And to a private lab.
The abrasions & bruising of the wrists were likely caused by the bindings rubbing against Sue's skin from her moving, possibly trying to free herself. Probably the palm bruise as well since it was near her wrist & I believe the electrical cord was looped around her palm/thumb as well.
Snoho, you mentioned the cuts on the back of her hand earlier. Those are strange, were they defensive wounds or purposely placed there?
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camfaults
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Post by camfaults on Feb 8, 2022 23:37:48 GMT
If the gun sight on the Daisy Air Rifle broke off during the attacks on the victim(s), that might have created a jagged piece on the rifle that resulted in further injuries. I'm assuming the rifle was made of plastic.
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