Post by Hope on Feb 27, 2023 1:17:01 GMT
Since it is referenced so often, yet no one can access it to read for themselves, I figured we'd post Marilyn's forum chat on k28.
I've followed this case since 2012, read everything she posted which is talked about today & claimed to be evidence of guilt against her & others. I don't see it. IMO, her recollection of events were consistent and match information contained in reports.
I think the problem is too much weight has been placed on 25+ year old memories. Statements were taken too literally and assumptions were made & ran with. For example, the whole "look out the window" statement Justin made that morning. Jesus Christ, just because Justin's words were "look out the window" and cabin 28 couldn't be seen from 26's window, that doesn't mean it's a lie. And it certainly doesn't mean it's some big elaborate conspiracy for them to hide how they learned of the murders (you know, I suppose it's made into such a big deal bc they were the ones in there killing people and were already aware, had to lie about how they found out 🙄… is that the big ta-do about all this?!?).
The story is consistent, from the 81 reports and forum/documentary statements of all involved, not just Marilyn. Justin walked home alone, told his family what happened and said "I'm not kidding, look out the window". With all the commotion going on, they didn't need to have the vantage point to see the front door of cabin 28 to see he was serious. Whether through the window, the front door, walking outside, doesn't matter to me. Justin came home, told them what happened and they learned it was true. A big deal has been made about absolutely nothing. In this chat Marilyn even says "I'm well aware I couldn't see the front door of cabin 28 from our window". Things taken too literally and blown out of proportion. None of this means she was lying. IMO words were taken out of her mouth and used against her. It must have been annoying AF to have someone constantly tell you what your life was like back then, to act like they know more than you do about the house you were living in.
IMO, the main issue with Marilyn is being ignored. She admitted she wanted away from Marty. Nina said the same thing early on the forums - she didn't believe Marilyn at first because she thought Marilyn wanted to get away from Marty. I do believe by the time Josh came around - started conducting interviews that Nina did feel Marty was responsible. But we have to remember what else had occurred between Marty, Marilyn and Meeks - the Meeks were essentially keeping Marty's wife from him. She then got together with Wade & Marty eventually left town. I'm sure the Meeks did witness some unhinged behavior from Marty - but it likely had to do with Marilyn not the homicides.
I also 1000% believe the "extreme bitch" Marty allegedly told his therapist about was Nina. Not Sue. The timeline lines up to it being Nina, this specific therapy session was weeks after the homicides. Sue was already gone. Marty was talking in present tense and at that moment, Nina was the one keeping his wife from him and turning her against him". Shoot, we now know Marilyn partook in the initial therapy sessions and stopped participating right around the murders. Just like what was said - "therapy for his problems with woman", to save the marriage.
Another thing that has been forgotten over the years, Marilyn herself went into an investigative phase. She made a couple interesting posts asking about specific people/events, but unfortunately no one ever responded to the questions she asked. For instance she heard a girl named Kathy drove J&D home that night. This was 2006! Beckley & Cruzita riding them home wasn't uncovered until 2017. "Officially" that is, because obviously people in the community knew and Marilyn was speaking with these people.
^That is why Marilyn had her "revelation" regarding Marty & Bo's guilt. She had been speaking with people who filled her in on details she never fully revealed. The "revelation" occurred after she, Nina and other forum members visited Keddie. Lynn S. told her that he knew for certain it wasn't Marty. How can someone be 100% sure unless they know who was responsible? She also learned about Kathy & Cruzita driving j&d home that night. Everything actually points to a different group of people being responsible.
I believe the truth is how it appears, Marilyn realized she was possibly blaming the wrong people and spoke up about it. If she was trying to frame Marty then she had already accomplished that goal with her documentary interviews. Once that came out allllll the attention was on Marty & Bo. Her alleged mission would have been accomplished, her recanting her claims about Marty would have accomplished nothing (if she was trying to avoid suspicion on herself). The entire idea that Marilyn, the Meeks, Sheila, Blaine were all involved and decided to frame Marty & Bo - who were also involved - makes absolutely NO SENSE. Bringing attention to their co-conspirators would only bring attention to themselves. Wtf!?! Really?? Let's see, who planned this murder? Marilyn? Nina? Sheila? All of them but for seperate reasons?? But then when LE can't solve it, they decide to double down and frame the guy they conspired with and was committing the murders for them?? Nobody would do that. Nothing but fantasies.
If M&B were involved it's definitely not a scenario like this. IMO the case is still unsolved because they haven't been looking at the right people. The technology available today wasn't available in 1981. The most recent investigation was focused solely on M&B and the case is still unsolved. I think it's time to widen that net and move on. I have faith this case will be solved. That the current PCSO administration and/or Ken/Sheila will get to the bottom of this. Fresh eyes and an unbiased look into the case is needed. It will happen. The Sharps & Wingate's deserve justice and some form of closure. As well as those who have been drug through the mud and falsely accused because of some elaborate fantasy.
Rant over. TLDR: I believe too much has been made out of insignificant pieces of information. You cannot use 25 year old memories as the foundation of this. Memories fade & change, but despite that a lot of statements have remained consistent. Certainly no smoking gun or proof of whats being alleged. I also believe there is a ton of confirmation bias which has occurred in the past 20 years. Once it was decided Marty & Bo were responsible every little thing was twisted to fit that narrative. It was decided Marilyn knew something, then decided she was involved so here we are.
We are interested in real evidence. Let's not forget Marilyn willingly submitted her DNA for comparison. It was NOT identified on any of the evidence in the cabin. Her DNA was NOT, NOT found on electrical cords. That report was misread. It was "female DNA" so apparently someone ran with "female DNA" equaling Marilyn. Further reading of the report verifies this female DNA was confirmed to belong to the previous Analyst who contaminated the evidence (can this case get any worse bad luck
) NOT MARILYN. What's sad is not only did a forum admin run with this claim and spread more misinformation about the case, but apparently the SI at the time also misread it?!? Wtf.
There was something actually of interes in that DNA report - a mixed sample consisting of at least two males (+ the female contamination). Who does that DNA belong to? That is what needs done. There's also the bloody partial fingerprint- who did that belong to? None of those accused. Evidence is going to solve this case, not twisting people's 25+ year memories into "evidence".
I've followed this case since 2012, read everything she posted which is talked about today & claimed to be evidence of guilt against her & others. I don't see it. IMO, her recollection of events were consistent and match information contained in reports.
I think the problem is too much weight has been placed on 25+ year old memories. Statements were taken too literally and assumptions were made & ran with. For example, the whole "look out the window" statement Justin made that morning. Jesus Christ, just because Justin's words were "look out the window" and cabin 28 couldn't be seen from 26's window, that doesn't mean it's a lie. And it certainly doesn't mean it's some big elaborate conspiracy for them to hide how they learned of the murders (you know, I suppose it's made into such a big deal bc they were the ones in there killing people and were already aware, had to lie about how they found out 🙄… is that the big ta-do about all this?!?).
The story is consistent, from the 81 reports and forum/documentary statements of all involved, not just Marilyn. Justin walked home alone, told his family what happened and said "I'm not kidding, look out the window". With all the commotion going on, they didn't need to have the vantage point to see the front door of cabin 28 to see he was serious. Whether through the window, the front door, walking outside, doesn't matter to me. Justin came home, told them what happened and they learned it was true. A big deal has been made about absolutely nothing. In this chat Marilyn even says "I'm well aware I couldn't see the front door of cabin 28 from our window". Things taken too literally and blown out of proportion. None of this means she was lying. IMO words were taken out of her mouth and used against her. It must have been annoying AF to have someone constantly tell you what your life was like back then, to act like they know more than you do about the house you were living in.
IMO, the main issue with Marilyn is being ignored. She admitted she wanted away from Marty. Nina said the same thing early on the forums - she didn't believe Marilyn at first because she thought Marilyn wanted to get away from Marty. I do believe by the time Josh came around - started conducting interviews that Nina did feel Marty was responsible. But we have to remember what else had occurred between Marty, Marilyn and Meeks - the Meeks were essentially keeping Marty's wife from him. She then got together with Wade & Marty eventually left town. I'm sure the Meeks did witness some unhinged behavior from Marty - but it likely had to do with Marilyn not the homicides.
I also 1000% believe the "extreme bitch" Marty allegedly told his therapist about was Nina. Not Sue. The timeline lines up to it being Nina, this specific therapy session was weeks after the homicides. Sue was already gone. Marty was talking in present tense and at that moment, Nina was the one keeping his wife from him and turning her against him". Shoot, we now know Marilyn partook in the initial therapy sessions and stopped participating right around the murders. Just like what was said - "therapy for his problems with woman", to save the marriage.
Another thing that has been forgotten over the years, Marilyn herself went into an investigative phase. She made a couple interesting posts asking about specific people/events, but unfortunately no one ever responded to the questions she asked. For instance she heard a girl named Kathy drove J&D home that night. This was 2006! Beckley & Cruzita riding them home wasn't uncovered until 2017. "Officially" that is, because obviously people in the community knew and Marilyn was speaking with these people.
^That is why Marilyn had her "revelation" regarding Marty & Bo's guilt. She had been speaking with people who filled her in on details she never fully revealed. The "revelation" occurred after she, Nina and other forum members visited Keddie. Lynn S. told her that he knew for certain it wasn't Marty. How can someone be 100% sure unless they know who was responsible? She also learned about Kathy & Cruzita driving j&d home that night. Everything actually points to a different group of people being responsible.
I believe the truth is how it appears, Marilyn realized she was possibly blaming the wrong people and spoke up about it. If she was trying to frame Marty then she had already accomplished that goal with her documentary interviews. Once that came out allllll the attention was on Marty & Bo. Her alleged mission would have been accomplished, her recanting her claims about Marty would have accomplished nothing (if she was trying to avoid suspicion on herself). The entire idea that Marilyn, the Meeks, Sheila, Blaine were all involved and decided to frame Marty & Bo - who were also involved - makes absolutely NO SENSE. Bringing attention to their co-conspirators would only bring attention to themselves. Wtf!?! Really?? Let's see, who planned this murder? Marilyn? Nina? Sheila? All of them but for seperate reasons?? But then when LE can't solve it, they decide to double down and frame the guy they conspired with and was committing the murders for them?? Nobody would do that. Nothing but fantasies.
If M&B were involved it's definitely not a scenario like this. IMO the case is still unsolved because they haven't been looking at the right people. The technology available today wasn't available in 1981. The most recent investigation was focused solely on M&B and the case is still unsolved. I think it's time to widen that net and move on. I have faith this case will be solved. That the current PCSO administration and/or Ken/Sheila will get to the bottom of this. Fresh eyes and an unbiased look into the case is needed. It will happen. The Sharps & Wingate's deserve justice and some form of closure. As well as those who have been drug through the mud and falsely accused because of some elaborate fantasy.
Rant over. TLDR: I believe too much has been made out of insignificant pieces of information. You cannot use 25 year old memories as the foundation of this. Memories fade & change, but despite that a lot of statements have remained consistent. Certainly no smoking gun or proof of whats being alleged. I also believe there is a ton of confirmation bias which has occurred in the past 20 years. Once it was decided Marty & Bo were responsible every little thing was twisted to fit that narrative. It was decided Marilyn knew something, then decided she was involved so here we are.
We are interested in real evidence. Let's not forget Marilyn willingly submitted her DNA for comparison. It was NOT identified on any of the evidence in the cabin. Her DNA was NOT, NOT found on electrical cords. That report was misread. It was "female DNA" so apparently someone ran with "female DNA" equaling Marilyn. Further reading of the report verifies this female DNA was confirmed to belong to the previous Analyst who contaminated the evidence (can this case get any worse bad luck
) NOT MARILYN. What's sad is not only did a forum admin run with this claim and spread more misinformation about the case, but apparently the SI at the time also misread it?!? Wtf. There was something actually of interes in that DNA report - a mixed sample consisting of at least two males (+ the female contamination). Who does that DNA belong to? That is what needs done. There's also the bloody partial fingerprint- who did that belong to? None of those accused. Evidence is going to solve this case, not twisting people's 25+ year memories into "evidence".
