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Post by Hope on Sept 5, 2023 2:57:19 GMT
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Post by kmik on Sept 5, 2023 17:12:16 GMT
Can't wait to hear this do you know when it will be out??
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Post by Hope on Sept 5, 2023 17:26:57 GMT
I don't know when it will be out, possibly tomorrow. Can't wait to listen either. Some interesting wording there as well 😉
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Post by Hope on Sept 6, 2023 18:07:10 GMT
Videos up! Members only early access right now, should be available to everyone by tomorrow
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Post by Hope on Sept 6, 2023 18:37:44 GMT
Less than 15 min in, but whoa Bill .
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Post by Hope on Sept 6, 2023 22:48:08 GMT
Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill... Losing creditability here. Did you read any files at all? Anything besides Victoria Metcalfe's 2017 Plumas News series? Can we have a redo, this time based on actual case files?
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Post by Hope on Sept 6, 2023 23:36:36 GMT
I shouldn't be surprised, this is exactly what everyone finds when they Google this case. It's what it's turned into. But I expected more from this. An assessment from the crime the scene, from his knowledge on death row...not a newspaper article built around an internet forum. That also includes much disproven information & only the half the story being told . For example the therapist - yes we all know what was said in the documentary. But does it matter that when office records were obtained they did not corroborate his 20+ year old statements? They actually weakened the story? A redo for sure, but at this, I'm feeling let down. I can repeat what I read in a newspaper article and claim it's personal insight as well.
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Post by karis on Sept 7, 2023 16:02:44 GMT
Well Dmac has finally seen the video. You can check out his facebook page to find it.
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Post by Hope on Sept 10, 2023 5:21:33 GMT
I still cannot get over that video. The biggest thing was Bill obviously read Metcalfe's 2017 Plumas News articles and the whole assessment was him summarizing what he'd read there! What has Ken been reading to not recognize that? He should have read enough - from all those case files he has access to - to recognize the flaws in what Bill was saying. At the very least recognized everything Bill "investigated" came from the internet! Instead it was like he sold Ken on his "assessment".
I really didn't like how they were discussing the nonexistent affair between Marty & Sue as if it was factual. There are no case files detailing or corroborating that. So, there's only one place Bill could have learned that. Even used the same exact wording "a love triangle" gone wrong. They even speculated theories built around this misinformation! And wtf was that stuff about Marilyn breaking up with Marty the night of the homicides?!? And thirdly, Sue was never counseling Marilyn either! So, where does that leave motive?
It would have been much better had Bill stayed off the internet and provided a completely untainted, unbiased assessment. Very disappointed.
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Post by snoho17 on Sept 10, 2023 8:07:11 GMT
100% Do you remember the discussion we had on the other KT forum about Metcalf and her description of Sue in the doc? It's funny this is all coming up again because I came across something from one of the old forums. *Apparently someone asked Metcalf how she came to the conclusions about Sue and her answer was "well just look at her" RE: her claim Sue was a prostitute. Now on the other KT forum, we cut her some slack because we thought she was just repeating a rumor on film, but there it is coming from her? I bet that's where 28 got the idea from when they were working on their "book" together.
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Post by Hope on Sept 11, 2023 1:11:37 GMT
I want to take a minute to say, we may come off as Marty defenders but that's not it at all. If evidence tied Marty & Bo to these homicides then that would be great - these victims, the families, their friends, those unjustly accused deserve closure. That's what this is all about.
Our hope in all this is to provide information. For the case to receive some attention that doesn't focus on disproven information & theories developed from a documentary & forum discussions 20+ years ago. For someone to provide an assessment based on nothing but case files, the crime scene and their own personal experience.
A cold case investigator seemed the perfect fit. Unfortunately, the forum speculation over the past decades has forever tainted this case it appears. In order for someone to provide an unbiased assessment, they need to take the time to research the case files and stop looking through the lens of Marty & Bo were responsible. Ken doesn't name people, but he allowed Bill a platform to further repeat the same misinformation & forum speculation that has plagued this case for the past 20 years. He not only provided this platform, but gave rumors, speculation & misinformation an undeserving credibility. He did not attempt to question nor objectively discuss anything Bill had to say. He didn't even appear to realize Bills "assessment" was anything but. He did the opposite and they began building theories around the false information of Sue having an affair with Marty. He should have known better than to even entertain that.
I'm not trying to be one of those know it all "amateurs" because I certainly do not know it all and certainly do not know who committed these homicides. That is what we are all trying to figure out. All on the same team and all have something to offer. It may be a joke people have spent 10 years researching this case, but that's an unfair statement. It's not like any of us spent 10 years sitting here with the entire case file in front of us going down ridiculous rabbit holes while ignoring the bigger picture. It's taken years to compile all the information, reports, crime scene photos, etc in this case. With every new piece of information released, we get a little bit closer. Because losers like us wasted all those years, he had everything at his fingertips, but it appears couldn't find the time to read them.
Yes, there are aspects of the case that point to Sue or Tina being the object/motive of this crime. There are also several good suspects that fit this, suspects with the familiarity, criminal history, capability and knowledge of camp eighteen. I personally disagree that the Johnny & Dana should be blown off so quickly as targets, but that's just my personal opinion.
I'd like for a YouTuber to cover some of the less known aspects of the case. For instance, what about the bloody partial fingerprint found inside the cabin? It didn't match any of the usual suspects. What about the mixed DNA sample that contained at least one male contributor, and again apparently didn't match any of the suspects named in the prevailing theory. What about the bloody discarded items found in the dumpster at the general store? The pellet gun? Can't blow that off, it was likely brought by the perpetrators. What type of perpetrators would bring such a weapon? What about Johnny's wallet being tossed behind the couch? And Dana's diabetic kit being missing from the scene? These are just a few things off the top of my head, but in my unqualified opinion they appear significant to uncovering what happened that night and shouldn't be ignored.
Means, motive & opportunity, right? Marty & Bo seemingly had none of this. Sue wasn't sleeping with Marty & she wasn't counseling Marilyn, so where's the motive? They didn't have the means to transport Tina to Camp Eighteen and were accounted for & in Keddie the following morning/day. Opportunity, they are probably the only people in this case with a confirmed alibi. In the bar during the entire timeframe the murders are believed to have occurred 10pm-2am. Minus the 20 minutes they walked Marilyn home & stopped inside 26. But they returned to the bar wearing the same clothes and displayed no unusual or concerning. In addition, MMB are included in the handful of people we know not only had their fingerprints eliminated but also their DNA. There are many other people we cannot say the same for.
P.S. I do remember it being said that Metcalfe said those words. I had some more to say about that but I save it for another thread.
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