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Post by Hope on Oct 17, 2023 14:28:53 GMT
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Post by Hope on Oct 17, 2023 14:33:42 GMT
1981-04-16 Marty re: purple microdot LSD
Craig is likely C. Munroe, friend of Shaun Stratton. Multiple PCSO files mention Meadow Valley parties & "acid parties". Karl's interviews specifically mention Johnny & Dana attending a Meadow Valley party at Roger Strattons. Clyde Smith & others reference this party as well. Practically everyone associated with J&D appear to be less than forthcoming in their LE interviews, particularly when it comes to their whereabouts between the hours of 10pm-2am (the same timeframe it was determined the homicides occured).
It gets confusing because in addition to this Meadow Valley party, a Keddie "acid party" is also often referenced. Numerous statements mention a party in Keddie at the Walkes. Please fill in the specifics I am missing, but there was some familial relationship between Chuck & the Strattons. It seems plausible to me that a party began in Meadow Valley & once it dispersed some people headed over to keddie. This comment by a local is interesting for several reasons:
In 1984, Donna told her aunt, who was a PCSO dispatcher, that the week of 4/11/81 she had been invited to an acid party thrown(?) by Chuck, Cary and Henry T. - Henry who also confessed to homicides, a confession which included LSD, a party and heading over the Sharps cabin.
Steve D & Joey C. had told her they would be attending. Steve obviously was untruthful during his interviews with PCSO. He appeared to be attempting to shift his whereabouts that evening and was called out for lying more than once. It took him 4+ times to come up with an alibi PCSO finally let slide. This 4th alibi was verified by F. Ames - however, it cannot be true. For one Clyde S. mentioned Steve stopping by his party, but Frank was not there. In an unrelated statement, Frank told PCSO he was home Saturday night and described three individuals he saw walking in front of his home. Steve's "alibi" also included Charles Meeks - yet it appears Charles was never asked about Steve's statements (or these statements are being held back by k28). Charles comes up later in the statements of a friend of Dana's, Lucila, regarding parties and "an acid freak" friend of his who was involved with the homicides.
Joey. Dave and Joey claimed to be together all of Saturday night, however, their statements were not consistent with one another. There are multiple discrepancies. His girlfriend, Cathy, told LE that Joey had told her he rode Johnny & Dana to Keddie to that night. According to Cathy, he said he dropped them off at the entrance to Keddie (same thing Donna claimed). He talked of a fight between J&D and "two Indians from Greenville" who Johnny & Dana got into a fight with. These individuals told Johnny they would kill him & his family if they didn't get what they wanted. He told Cathy he didn't want to come forward because he didn't LE to think he was involved.
Joey & his girlfriend, Cathy, were interviewed at the high school by Pcso and DOJ. These official reports have not been released, only summaries. Even without the official reports, it sounds like Joey forced Cathy into backing down her statements and claim she must have been confused. It was Joey who Richard ran into early Sunday morning. Again all of the official reports have not been released. According to the summaries Joey & Richard ran into one another Sunday morning at the Holiday Mart, Richard was looking for Dana and Joey told him that Dana had spent the night with Johnny. After Richard left Joey learned of the homicides and went to Keddie to tell Richard.
What does Joey's official interview say!?! According this these summaries, Joey was out & about early Sunday morning, after being up late Saturday night, and he independently learned of the homicides from someone besides RM. Who, when, where did Joey learn of the homicides?? There were at least three people who knew of the homicides early Sunday morning. Joey, Donna - she was the one to call the Dorris', before PCSO & inform them of the homicides. This needs looked into more. And Phillip. Philip described heading to Keddie in a truck, parking at the Keddie General Store and being present for the homicides. Both Joey & Dave E. owned trucks. Joey's dad traded his truck in for a Cougar within 2 weeks of the homicides.
I'm not saying any of these people were directly involved, but I do feel certain people involved in the party scene had knowledge of important occurrences that night. By 1984, Joey was an informant - it's documented in Feather River Bulletin articles from that time. He was also a personal informant of Mike Gamberg in the 80s.. .when did this relationship begin? Not only was he Gamberg's informant, but they were also neighbors c1981-1984+. Gamberg apparently described him as a "real piece of shit".
My question is, did Gamberg take the time to interview him regarding Keddie during his time as Special Investigator between 2013-2019? It doesn't appear so, but the information released is so manipulated it's impossible to know the truth. I personally don't believe he spoke with Joey. I believe he had a terrible case of tunnel vision and spent 6+ years solely looking into MMB leads spoon fed to him by Dmac. With the exception of Steven Howard - because of the 1989 informant statement he received from Mrs. Alvey (still wish we knew if anything happened once he sent SH's prints off for comparison, if he dropped it once there was no fingerprint match to SH (what about his buddies?), as K28 makes it appear based on his posts & jacked up version of "Gamberg's 2013-2015 Report"). And a brief interest in Seabolt Jr & Sr - why?!? Why was he interested in them, we should all recognize there was some evidence which led to his interest, but what exactly?
Another neighbor of Mike Gamberg's?? Cruzita J - the ride home. Her brother was another neighbor of Gamberg's. The public has not gotten the true story regarding "The Ride". This isn't my opinion, its factual. If everything was on the up & up there would be no reason to crop Cruzita's 1981 statements. K28 finally revealed what we've known all along , her 81 interview was cropped to pieces because she told of Meadow Valley, parties and drug dealers. Just as her boyfriend did. There's so much & so many people to tie into this. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Let's not forget it was Karl S. who led LE to Cruzita (& Kathy B). The public isn't receiving the full story because certain people are blinded by a theory - MMB - including the Special Investigator. He chose to ignore the bulk of what witnesses had to say in 81 and instead focused on what fit his theory. There are too many people who acted suspiciously for this lead to be ignored. We haven't even gotten to the meat & potatoes here or the purpose of this thread…. Meadow Valley, Keddie, LSD, parties, C. Munroe, the Strattons, multiple, multiple people close with Johnny & Dana…..
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Post by Hope on Oct 17, 2023 14:59:31 GMT
The version of Cruzita's May 1981 report which was released:  What was apparently cropped away:  Everyone should be asking themselves why k28 feels it necessary to crop & alter reports. C. Mullen was friends with M. Delizio, Cruzita's boyfriend. Cruzita, who along with Kathy Beckley lied to pcso & felt it necessary to withhold the ride for 36 years, from 1981 - 2017. Vern was Dana's best friend and living with him at the Dorris' group home. Vernal's stepbrother/family was the Bones.
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 18, 2023 22:29:19 GMT
Great posts Hope! Gamberg supposedly confronted Jaime about irrefutable evidence he'd been in the crime scene (2014?). James Sr. .... His wife gave one alibi and he gave a second. I'd like to know where he went wood cutting. The sun didn't rise for over an hour after he left. The bad LSD story, I found several newspaper articles about high schoolers going to hospital after taking "bad LSD", so that guys story lines up
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Post by Hope on Oct 19, 2023 0:51:46 GMT
Me too sno. Woodcutting vs coffee with Mrs. Otis. Why did Zonita say that? Doubt he & elderly Mrs. Otis were having coffee together at 4am. Plus her statement of him not sleeping well that night, so what exactly was he doing for her to include that? Where was he cutting wood? We know he did several odd jobs including selling firewood.. but there appears to have already been a huge stack of wood in that little shed thing in their backyard + in Art J's statement he mentioned cutting behind 27 & 28 and passing the huge lot of wood stacked up in the Seabolts backyard, near their vehicle. When the exterior crime scene photos were taken can be called into question, but not a witness statement from the night of the murders. How many times was Sr interviewed? We only of the two, neither useful in regards to Sr himself. Big time hunters as well.
Gamberg was interested in both Sr & Jr. Why? Whose fingerprints were found in 81 and where were they found? In 81, a latent fingerprint couldn't be used for much, unless in blood. And he being the groundskeeper/maintenance man, easily explained away. I hate to act suspicious towards anyone, but there's things there that need answered & can't be ignored.
People treat Zonita like her word is the gospel when it comes to what was going on at 28. I see something different in her. I see a woman who likely impeded the investigation by at the very least having Jamie recant going inside. One who other Keddie locals described as extremely judgemental towards many people. Marilyn posted that she never witnessed the things zonita claimed and was shocked to hear that. If things she said are true theb there's two more important pieces of information she withheld from police. As far as we know she never informed them of men being at 28 or hearing "sex sounds" the afternoon of the homicides.
I also see a woman who perhaps dragged Sue & remained bitter because "Sr. did it" was what the Keddie residents were saying in 81. That and the child molestation rumors - which turned out to be true.
I read those articles as well and other locals posted about LSD & Keddie on the old forums. "Purple microdot" specifically came up elsewhere besides Marty. That specific post by "k" read differently than it did 10+ years ago, with all we know now compared to then.
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