Chuck & Camp Eighteen

I'm very interested in this angle too! One thing we know is that there was a bloody print left by the door and that Don Stoy had a list of suspects fingerprints submitted to the DOJ for comparison somewhere between 1986-1991 while MacKenzie was Sheriff. Notice that Don Stoy wrote that he knew they (DOJ) had a list of information or prints on file but if they didn't for any of these (on the list) to let him know and he would try to find them. Chuck's name is on that list. Never see a response as to what they found out - but there was that 2001 newspaper article where DeCorona and Stoy mentioned that all they had was one bloody fingerprint (never acknowledged if they had a match but didn't sound like they did).

So if Chuck was there, but the bloody print doesn't match his, maybe someone else was with Chuck? Someone whose name is not on the list. I remember Tom Horan saying the Strattons had land near Feather Falls and we know whoever took Tina to Camp 18 knew where they were going. Nobody just happened up on that spot with a body that they had hauled over 60 miles - unless they knew where they were going.

Yes it's funny that "Chuck knowing Tina" was not expanded on by 28.  I always thought Maggie Lewis, out of fear and concern, reported the "Chuck with cuts" story to LE - but we can thank Mrs. Seabolt for that one. 

Remember the letter dmac received years ago naming Cary W. and Lew P. as being responsible for the murders? Somebody is responsible for these murders - but kinda appears that the killer has flown under the radar.

Here's an interesting read. Heads up, there's some pretty graphic images in the article.https://what-when-how.com/forensic-sciences/defense-wounds/ Defense Wounds from Knife Attacks
Such injuries are seen when the victim attempts to ward off a knife either by seizing it or by raising forearms and hands in order to protect other body regions (head, neck, chest).
Traditionally a distinction is made in the literature between active and passive defense wounds. According to this distinction active defense wounds occur when the victim grasps the knife with the hand with the injury then being located on the palmar side of the hand. The passive wound type is sustained when the victim raises their hands or arms to protect the attacked body region; in this case the injuries will primarily be located on the extensor side.
There is only a small number of papers available with detailed statements as to the frequency and distribution of defense wounds. The frequency of such wounds indicated for victims killed by sharp force usually ranges between 30% and 50%. In victims primarily fit for reaction the probability of the presence of defense wounds increases with the number of hits placed on the body.
If in spite of multiple stabs, no defense injuries are found, it has to be considered that the victim may have been unable to react or impaired in his ability to defend himself already before the use of sharp force: for example in knife attacks on a sleeping person, in unexpected assaults and in victims made unconscious before the attack. The absence of defense wounds is also observed when the victim was held or tied. The same also largely applies in those cases where severe traumatization of a different type (e.g. by blunt force) occurred before the use of sharp force. Moreover, it is to be expected that in cases of very high blood alcohol concentrations or under the influence of drugs the ability to defend oneself adequately against an assault is reduced.
A study of large numbers of cases with regard to the localization of defense wounds found about the same number of injuries on the flexor and the extensor side, often combined in the same victim. It seems justified to express doubts as to the stereotyped distinction between active and passive defense wounds. First, the various possible ways stabbing with a knife must be taken into consideration. Different ways of moving the knife (in a downward or an upward direction) may produce defense wounds on either the extensor or flexor side for the same position of the arm. An injury on the extensor side of the limbs may also occur if the victim tries to seize the knife and the blade comes into contact with the back of the hand or the extensor side of the forearm.
In an attempt to grasp the knife the fingers of the victim may close around the blade, which cuts across the flexures of the phalanges as the knife is withdrawn (Fig. 1). In this case several fingers may be injured by a single impact of the cutting edge sometimes even completely severing the flexor tendons. Another typical location is the web between the thumb and the index finger. Incised wounds of the hands are often ‘shelved’ so that one margin forms a flap of skin (Fig. 2). Hand injuries are frequently located at the transition from the flexor to the extensor side of the fingers. Such wounds are typically encountered if the victim tries to protect himself by holding his hand against the knife with spread fingers.

I was thinking about some of what Chuck said in his doc interview. I hadn't remembered all of it though. As I was reading your transcript, I almost started laughing. It's not funny at all. Nothing funny about it, but him saying they were always coming to him for advice!?! Get TF outta here! What a joke, I can't believe he even said that!! Then he starts telling LE they're looking for two suspects and their height!?! WTF is he psychic now. Dumb luck. He was not as smart as he believed, just a bunch of dumb luck. Remember Stoy's files mention how Chuck had told them he "liked to play detective"? Was he inserting himself from the beginning?

His BS claim of LE bringing him into the crime scene, since they were always coming to him for advice & whatnot 😆🤣 It was like he was using that as an opportunity to tell the viewer "see look, no way it could be me. I can't even stand the thought of blood, just seeing it made me run outside and puke. No way anyone should be suspicious of me". It seems that's exactly what he was doing - appearing in the documentary to get ahead of anything else that may be brought to their attention.

Except his story didn't match what he told LE at all. Unfortunately, the police files were not initially available to compare what he said in 81 to the BS story he told in the documentary. When they became available, he was able to fly under the radar because all the focus was on Marty & Bo. What's the saying? The truth will never change, it's harder to remember a lie? Fits perfectly right here Their reason for being in Keddie changed, as did the time. The suspicious truck became a van. He wanted everyone to believe they went to PCSO to report potentially pertinent information and this caused PCSO to start harassing them. Made him feel like he was being treated like a suspect when all he did was come forward with information to help the investigation. We know that's all a bunch of BS.

I forgot to include a pretty big one to the list. How many locals have stated the roads to Camp Eighteen would be closed/impassable during April. Every year. Not reopening until snow melt off, some time around Memorial Day. For some reason this has been constantly dismissed over the years, despite every single local saying the same thing.

One friend♡ told us the roads would not only be closed but also locked. The only way through would be to have a key, such as a forestry service worker. Chuck worked for the United States Forestry Service as a tree planter in 1981.

This has come up before and I've always wondered if former PCSO Undersheriff Moreina was referring to Chuck & Henry with the comment. They seemed the most likely candidates and even more so now.

Moreina's comment at the end of the documentary, part II. He said every new officer is introduced to the case and evidence in the hopes of fresh eyes finding something that has been overlooked. That the case has been presented to the District Attorney several times over the years

So, who did PCSO suspect? It wasn't Marty & Bo, they were both deceased when this comment was made, can't bring them to trial.

And what happened to the investigation into these suspects once Gamberg became Investigator? Did he ignore the work of those before him, in favor of following the work of an unqualified online conspiracy theorist?!? It sure seems that way. As said before, Dmac does no favors to Gamberg by only posting "summaries" of his investigation. According to that summarized report, Gamberg began his investigation by declaring Marty & Bo suspects, speaking with Princess who referred him to Dmac, and by printing out forum discussions to add to his investigation binders. Chuck was interviewed as a witness when Gamberg was looking into "acid Steve". Did he not read all the case material available at his fingertips??

I 100% those before Gamberg were interested in chuck & Henry. They just didn't have enough to prove it.

Weird, I thought I remembered reading that report somewhere. Seems to me, I was left with the impression Wade reported the interaction to an officer, but it wasn't witnessed first hand by anyone else. I could be remembering wrong though. I don't know what to think about what Justin said there, I know I thought it strange he used the term Cascades, is that how everyone referred to it? I'd expect a kid to say something like, "the little falls". Huh, but I was also surprised by Justin's use of ship terminology as well