Post by Hope on Nov 13, 2023 7:19:03 GMT
Had these saved & figured might as well post em here. It's a compilation of posts Tom from the zodiackillerhoax1986 forum had made regarding Chuck & Henry
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Admin Horan
Jan 19, 2020 at 7:59am
I don't think there are any mines near Camp 18. But he may have been panning in the Feather River. Perhaps illegally. So, snoho gets a pumpkin sticker. In my previous post, I forgot to mention--Henry Thompson had also worked out there. In the late 70s, the railroad was done hauling timber from that forest, so they tore up the tracks to reuse elsewhere and graded the railroad bed into the road that runs through there now. That was Henry's job. So, BOTH Chuck Walke and Henry Thompson were intimately familiar with that "road." A road never patrolled by the sheriff's office. Only park rangers
Admin Horan
Mar 24, 2018 at 8:02pm
It was Chuck Walke's JOB to be at Camp 18. In 1981, he was planting trees for the NATIONAL Forest Service. And that would be that patch of forest logged around Camp 18.
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Admin Horan
Dec 28, 2019 at 7:06am
Theories
I'd say they knew/assumed they were seen LEAVING Keddie by Jim Seabolt, who was emptying the bed of his pickup on his way to go cut firewood. But Kathy Goddu, of Livermore, told police that C and H were there "maybe Friday, maybe Saturday." And stayed about 30 minutes. Instead of Saturday. If you leave the Exxon at noon (H's truck was seen there by Donna when she dropped off the boys) and average 65 mph to Livermore, stay about 30 minutes, then average 65 mph back, you return to the Exxon about 9:00-9:30. Which is when the boys "disappeared."
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jmo
Mar 2, 2018 at 11:34pm
(Quoting an old post by Night Rider)
Chuck Walke was supposedly a rather rolly-poly young member of the local drug scene (the scene that didn't really exist according to Doug Thomas.) I have no idea where he came from or if he was in the service.
Way back in 2005 some people were claiming that they had been hanging around he when he was messed up and that they had heard him say things like, "Man, I don't know how I got away with it, but I did.">>>>>
Back then some people told me that he was just an easy going young druggie who had never hurt anyone. He is not on my list of shadows, mainly because since about 2006, his name never comes up in any discussion.
Not so for his brother Cary, who did not make the trip to Springtown that day. Cary is now a registrant in Plumas, and it was rumored that he was supposedly at that party at cabin 8 or 9 that night. I will not say what I think about the fact that Cary looks a spitting image of the right sketch.
Admin Horan
Mar 3, 2018 at 12:24pm
On the phone with me, Gamberg has personally "vouched" for the Meeks boys and Cary Walke. No evidence; just "I know them. I know they didn't do it."
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kmik
Keddie Moderator
Nov 6, 2019 at 7:47am
Maybe he was playing detective like Chuck:
On my previous contact with Chuck, he told me that he was interested in playing detective and was at the Sharp house for several nights after the homicides, talking to the deputy guarding the house (I didn't ask him, he just volunteered the information). He also said that he walked the tracks looking for Tina.
Admin Horan
Nov 10, 2019 at 6:16am
Josh Hancock's 2008 Post
All good points. And I'll add one more: It really IS fairly common for perpetrators to jump in and "help" an investigation. That doesn't make Richard Meeks and Chuck Walke suspects. But it IS funny, especially when their statements are among the fishiest. And Chuck is very high on my list of suspects.
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Admin Horan
Jul 8, 2019 at 9:13am
Cabin 28 Interior Photos 5
According to Johnny's autopsy report, his carotid was pierced by a narrow blade. No mention of serrations. So that would rule out the butcher knife and the bent steak knife. A pair of scissors is one possibility--another possibility is a "stick knife" used by butchers and hunters. There is a photo of Chuck Walke posing with a deer kill--and he has just such a "stick knife" in his hand. Proving not only that he owned one--but ALSO proving he knew how to use it.
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Admin Horan
Apr 24, 2019 at 8:11am
This is what I have found in the the files, plus what I've been able to beat out of Gamberg, in a nutshell:
1. Justin's DNA was found on the sticky side of the tape around Sue's gag. I'd say police found his fingerprints there right away, and that's one reason he changed his story during his second "hypnosis" session. NO ONE else's fingerprints were found on that tape.
2. Several bloody fingerprints were found, but were too smudged for comparison purposes, except for the one found several days later on the post at the bottom of the backdoor stairs. (That one did NOT belong to Marty or Bo.) But they were clear enough to prove that none of them were made by "gloves."
3. The only "outsider" fingerprints found belonged to various Meeks brothers, their adopted cousin Philip "Chief" Shearer (who also confessed to police, by the way) and [apparently] Henry Thompson. Each of them came up with witnesses who said they had been in Cabin 28 recently, but still…
4. The killers did not wear gloves, yet neither Marty's nor Bo's fingerprints were found anywhere. Just fingerprints belonging to other good suspects.
5. The only bloody shoeprints visible in the available crime scene photos belong to a child's size pair of GASS shoes, which Tina owned a pair of, and which she was wearing when she disappeared. Several bloody shoeprints on the carpet were removed by DOJ crime scene techs, but they are in line with the one visible on the couch cushion, and therefore, are probably Tina's as well. If they belonged to men's dress shoes, you can bet your hat someone would have leaked photos of them by now.
6. Again, when Justin was "questioned" under "hypnosis" the second time, he comes up with this "memory" of one of the killers having "waffle-soled" work boots, and again, that sounds exactly like a guilty suspect trying to explain evidence that he and Tina participated.
7. The hammer that was used to knock Johnny and Dana on the head (but not hard enough to cave in the skulls; only hard enough to put a few dents in them) was found IN THE CABIN, next to the butcher knife that was used to stab Sue in the chest. That stab wound is consistent with an assailant who was not as strong as a full-grown man. The narrow, thin blade (like a "stick knife," or maybe, a pair of scissors) that was used to stab Johnny in the carotid artery, and the air rifle that was apparently used on Sue, were not found in the cabin. That is, two of the weapons were removed at the same time Tina left, and the two weapons that were used last were still in the cabin with Justin. EVEN IF the hammer fond recently belonged to Marty, it doesn't matter, because that WAS NOT the hammer used on the victims.
8. An empty tape roll was found near Tina's body, but not the first knife, nor the air rifle. That fact, and the distance away from Keddie that Tina had traveled, does suggest she got a ride from someone (maybe the person who wore the blue jacket that was found buried not far from her body.) Two people who knew all about Camp 18 were--Henry Thompson and his buddy Chuck Walke. Who admit they were in Keddie early Sunday morning, the time when Tina "disappeared" from Keddie.
zodiackillerhoax1986.freeforums.net/thread/204/vehicles
Admin Horan
Mar 25, 2019 at 8:32am
Vehicles
If they (Chuck, Henry, Phillip, Johnny, and Dana) got to Keddie about 9:45 and parked at Tom S's cabin, and left around 4:00ish the next morning, then no one would have noticed them. Except maybe Jim Seabolt, since they report seeing HIS truck at the dumpster on their way out of Keddie (and remember, we've never seen Jim's statement.)
Admin Horan
Mar 23, 2019 at 9:15am
Vehicles
I've thunk of a question: Does this "rule out" Henry Thompson's red Toyota pickup being at Tom Schultz's cabin (or anywhere else in Keddie) between 9:30 pm and 5:00 am? Or are we thinking #2 might be Henry's?
Interesting discussion from someone familiar with railroad life & Keddie/Feather River Canyon in the 70's & 80's
zodiackillerhoax1986.freeforums.net/thread/208/less-50-yards-cabin-28?page=2
Admin Horan
Apr 11, 2019 at 10:20am
Less than 50 Yards from Cabin 28…
Well, that's my point--there was no reason to make a full-time "connection" bringing in cocaine, but a seasonal market for railroad and lumber workers might have existed. Tom Schmid lived in the cabin across the backyard of 28, and he and Henry Thompson, his one-time brother-in-law, also worked on the tracks. So, if some of the out-of-town guys wanted to "party" Tom could take up a collection and tell them "My cabin, this Saturday night." The Oakland Hells Angels had locked down the meth market there and were trying to lock down the marijuana biz. They had a clubhouse/safehouse in Quincy and a meth lab in Portola. They pretty much owned highway 70. But Henry could have bypassed them by going to Livermore--and that MAY have gotten Dana and Johnny killed. There was a rumor that Johnny and Dana had stolen 10 sheets of blotter acid from the HA clubhouse in Quincy (East Quincy?) and Henry may have traded that for some coke in Livermore. They were dropped off at the Exxon station on the west end of Quincy and Henry's truck was there. Etc etc etc. Henry's sister Alice was friends with Sheila (Alice was invited to the sleepover that night) and Sheila was at their parents house talking to Alice a half hour before the boys were dropped off at the Exxon station. In fact, it may have been more likely that their ride was the one who actually grabbed the blotter acid Saturday morning after partying at the HA clubhouse Friday night.
There were spur lines running through the area around (logging) Camp 18 in the far southwest corner of Plumas County for the lumber companies to ship out their logs. They were torn up and converted to regular roads in the late 70s.
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Admin Horan
Dec 23, 2019 at 6:28am
Suspects
Oh. I thought that guy's name was Dunagan. But it IS interesting. VERY interesting. Why:
1. There was a Filipino girl (that matters) living on her own in Keddie. She was recently moved up from Livermore. As far as I can see, there is only one reason ANYONE, let alone a very young woman, would move from Livermore to Keddie. She was a Hells Angels girl, maintaining a safe house/crashpad.
2. A very notorious associate of the Hells Angels whose name (I shall call him "Big Red" because I like the idea of keeping my head attached to my shoulders) pops up in a LOT of iffy homicide cases lived in Livermore. He has a reputation for killing a LOT of "snitches."
3. If Chuck and Henry went to Livermore that weekend, it was to pick up narcotics, most likely meth, maybe cocaine. Meth, of course, induces effects similar to "acid," and "people" exhibiting such symptoms that weekend were just as likely to have been on meth as acid. One big difference: meth tends to make people VIOLENT. The Hells Angels had at that time a MONOPOLY on meth and a near-monopoly on LSD in Northern California. They had a lab just down the road in Portola, and a "clubhouse" (codenamed The Yellow House) in East Quincy. Not so much cocaine, but they had access to cocaine. They were working with Gamberg and his partner to bust all the non-HA pot farms in Plumas County to maintain their attempted monopoly on pot.
4. But if the HA wanted Johnny and/or Dana dead, they would not have been so stupid as to make the mess in Cabin 28. And the mess in Cabin 28 does NOT fit the MO of Big Red. And I don't see ANYTHING about that mess to suggest ANY kind of planning or foresight. I suggest Dana was killed by accident, and things went downhill from there.
5. BUT--it IS interesting that associates of one John Gordon Abbott, were pointing fingers at each other for the mess in Keddie. Why? Because Abbott and Phillip Arthur Thompson were hand in glove with the FBI, CIA, and DEA, and ATF. They robbed banks, sold narcotics, and traded weapons (like a warehouse full of Vietnam War surplus FULL of M-16 rifles, etc) to Salvadoran communist rebels in exchange for cocaine, which they dealt to the Hells Angels, for a short while. I mean, these guys operated their own private warehouse in San Francisco. All with the generous cooperation of Uncle Sam. For example, when they DID serve time, they were ALWAYS put in the same cell, in the same prison. Inside, they could gain information from other cons, then use that information when they were released ridiculously early. Constantly shielded by the Feds, Abbott committed several murders of young women. When the fun was over, the Salvadoran connection was shut down--and shifted to Columbia, instead. We all know the rest of that story.
6. But, I've already looked into a possible Abbot-Keddie connection. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Except, of course, the possible HA connection. Which is how I suspect Thompson heard about Keddie. Any "cover" these guys had for Keddie or any other crimes has long been blown off. And there is just absolutely nothing to suggest they were involved in Keddie 28. Any cocaine that Henry and Chuck may have picked up from Livermore would have most likely originated with Abbott and Company, but that's as far as that went.
7. On the other hand, IF Chuck and Henry drove to Livermore to pick up a PERSON, then drove that person BACK to Livermore, THAT might explain the "confusion" over what day(s) they went there. And if that person were one James Dunagan/Dunnigan, and not Big Red, then THAT might explain the mess in Cabin 28. How?
8. I suggest that everyone in town assumed that Dana was narcing. Whether he was or not. And he's the one who made the big effort to befriend Johnny all of a sudden. If Johnny's/Sheila's "friend" Henry Thompson was hinky about Dana, he might have said something to someone who called in outside help. I don't see any real evidence of that. But it's POSSIBLE.
And there's NO WAY Chuck, Henry, and anyone else would have crossed Big Red and his crew. No way.
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Admin Horan
Feb 21, 2019 at 9:25am
The Ride
Also, keep in mind--it's only 5.5 miles from the Exxon station to Keddie. They could easily have walked it.
Also, they don't seem to have been waiting for a ride to Keddie. Some people said they were riding back and forth to the park. It's also obvious that Wade stopped to talk to them on his way home from FRC, and probably dropped off Phillip at the same time. Then told his mother about it when he got home. Then lied to police about it. Why? Probably because the boys told him they were waiting for a SPECIFIC "ride" to show up.
Assuming Chuck and Henry left the Exxon station at 1:00ish Saturday afternoon (riiiiiight after Donna dropped off the boys, and before Sue picked them up. Right after Sheila talked to Henry's sister...) it would have taken them just about 4 hours to drive to Livermore, where what's-her-name said they stayed about 30 minutes, then another four hours back, puts them at the Exxon at juuuuust about 9:30--just about the
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Admin Horan
Jan 19, 2020 at 7:59am
I don't think there are any mines near Camp 18. But he may have been panning in the Feather River. Perhaps illegally. So, snoho gets a pumpkin sticker. In my previous post, I forgot to mention--Henry Thompson had also worked out there. In the late 70s, the railroad was done hauling timber from that forest, so they tore up the tracks to reuse elsewhere and graded the railroad bed into the road that runs through there now. That was Henry's job. So, BOTH Chuck Walke and Henry Thompson were intimately familiar with that "road." A road never patrolled by the sheriff's office. Only park rangers
Admin Horan
Mar 24, 2018 at 8:02pm
It was Chuck Walke's JOB to be at Camp 18. In 1981, he was planting trees for the NATIONAL Forest Service. And that would be that patch of forest logged around Camp 18.
zodiackillerhoax1986.freeforums.net/thread/131/theories?page=6
Admin Horan
Dec 28, 2019 at 7:06am
Theories
I'd say they knew/assumed they were seen LEAVING Keddie by Jim Seabolt, who was emptying the bed of his pickup on his way to go cut firewood. But Kathy Goddu, of Livermore, told police that C and H were there "maybe Friday, maybe Saturday." And stayed about 30 minutes. Instead of Saturday. If you leave the Exxon at noon (H's truck was seen there by Donna when she dropped off the boys) and average 65 mph to Livermore, stay about 30 minutes, then average 65 mph back, you return to the Exxon about 9:00-9:30. Which is when the boys "disappeared."
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jmo
Mar 2, 2018 at 11:34pm
(Quoting an old post by Night Rider)
Chuck Walke was supposedly a rather rolly-poly young member of the local drug scene (the scene that didn't really exist according to Doug Thomas.) I have no idea where he came from or if he was in the service.
Way back in 2005 some people were claiming that they had been hanging around he when he was messed up and that they had heard him say things like, "Man, I don't know how I got away with it, but I did.">>>>>
Back then some people told me that he was just an easy going young druggie who had never hurt anyone. He is not on my list of shadows, mainly because since about 2006, his name never comes up in any discussion.
Not so for his brother Cary, who did not make the trip to Springtown that day. Cary is now a registrant in Plumas, and it was rumored that he was supposedly at that party at cabin 8 or 9 that night. I will not say what I think about the fact that Cary looks a spitting image of the right sketch.
Admin Horan
Mar 3, 2018 at 12:24pm
On the phone with me, Gamberg has personally "vouched" for the Meeks boys and Cary Walke. No evidence; just "I know them. I know they didn't do it."
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kmik
Keddie Moderator
Nov 6, 2019 at 7:47am
Maybe he was playing detective like Chuck:
On my previous contact with Chuck, he told me that he was interested in playing detective and was at the Sharp house for several nights after the homicides, talking to the deputy guarding the house (I didn't ask him, he just volunteered the information). He also said that he walked the tracks looking for Tina.
Admin Horan
Nov 10, 2019 at 6:16am
Josh Hancock's 2008 Post
All good points. And I'll add one more: It really IS fairly common for perpetrators to jump in and "help" an investigation. That doesn't make Richard Meeks and Chuck Walke suspects. But it IS funny, especially when their statements are among the fishiest. And Chuck is very high on my list of suspects.
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Admin Horan
Jul 8, 2019 at 9:13am
Cabin 28 Interior Photos 5
According to Johnny's autopsy report, his carotid was pierced by a narrow blade. No mention of serrations. So that would rule out the butcher knife and the bent steak knife. A pair of scissors is one possibility--another possibility is a "stick knife" used by butchers and hunters. There is a photo of Chuck Walke posing with a deer kill--and he has just such a "stick knife" in his hand. Proving not only that he owned one--but ALSO proving he knew how to use it.
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Admin Horan
Apr 24, 2019 at 8:11am
This is what I have found in the the files, plus what I've been able to beat out of Gamberg, in a nutshell:
1. Justin's DNA was found on the sticky side of the tape around Sue's gag. I'd say police found his fingerprints there right away, and that's one reason he changed his story during his second "hypnosis" session. NO ONE else's fingerprints were found on that tape.
2. Several bloody fingerprints were found, but were too smudged for comparison purposes, except for the one found several days later on the post at the bottom of the backdoor stairs. (That one did NOT belong to Marty or Bo.) But they were clear enough to prove that none of them were made by "gloves."
3. The only "outsider" fingerprints found belonged to various Meeks brothers, their adopted cousin Philip "Chief" Shearer (who also confessed to police, by the way) and [apparently] Henry Thompson. Each of them came up with witnesses who said they had been in Cabin 28 recently, but still…
4. The killers did not wear gloves, yet neither Marty's nor Bo's fingerprints were found anywhere. Just fingerprints belonging to other good suspects.
5. The only bloody shoeprints visible in the available crime scene photos belong to a child's size pair of GASS shoes, which Tina owned a pair of, and which she was wearing when she disappeared. Several bloody shoeprints on the carpet were removed by DOJ crime scene techs, but they are in line with the one visible on the couch cushion, and therefore, are probably Tina's as well. If they belonged to men's dress shoes, you can bet your hat someone would have leaked photos of them by now.
6. Again, when Justin was "questioned" under "hypnosis" the second time, he comes up with this "memory" of one of the killers having "waffle-soled" work boots, and again, that sounds exactly like a guilty suspect trying to explain evidence that he and Tina participated.
7. The hammer that was used to knock Johnny and Dana on the head (but not hard enough to cave in the skulls; only hard enough to put a few dents in them) was found IN THE CABIN, next to the butcher knife that was used to stab Sue in the chest. That stab wound is consistent with an assailant who was not as strong as a full-grown man. The narrow, thin blade (like a "stick knife," or maybe, a pair of scissors) that was used to stab Johnny in the carotid artery, and the air rifle that was apparently used on Sue, were not found in the cabin. That is, two of the weapons were removed at the same time Tina left, and the two weapons that were used last were still in the cabin with Justin. EVEN IF the hammer fond recently belonged to Marty, it doesn't matter, because that WAS NOT the hammer used on the victims.
8. An empty tape roll was found near Tina's body, but not the first knife, nor the air rifle. That fact, and the distance away from Keddie that Tina had traveled, does suggest she got a ride from someone (maybe the person who wore the blue jacket that was found buried not far from her body.) Two people who knew all about Camp 18 were--Henry Thompson and his buddy Chuck Walke. Who admit they were in Keddie early Sunday morning, the time when Tina "disappeared" from Keddie.
zodiackillerhoax1986.freeforums.net/thread/204/vehicles
Admin Horan
Mar 25, 2019 at 8:32am
Vehicles
If they (Chuck, Henry, Phillip, Johnny, and Dana) got to Keddie about 9:45 and parked at Tom S's cabin, and left around 4:00ish the next morning, then no one would have noticed them. Except maybe Jim Seabolt, since they report seeing HIS truck at the dumpster on their way out of Keddie (and remember, we've never seen Jim's statement.)
Admin Horan
Mar 23, 2019 at 9:15am
Vehicles
I've thunk of a question: Does this "rule out" Henry Thompson's red Toyota pickup being at Tom Schultz's cabin (or anywhere else in Keddie) between 9:30 pm and 5:00 am? Or are we thinking #2 might be Henry's?
Interesting discussion from someone familiar with railroad life & Keddie/Feather River Canyon in the 70's & 80's
zodiackillerhoax1986.freeforums.net/thread/208/less-50-yards-cabin-28?page=2
Admin Horan
Apr 11, 2019 at 10:20am
Less than 50 Yards from Cabin 28…
Well, that's my point--there was no reason to make a full-time "connection" bringing in cocaine, but a seasonal market for railroad and lumber workers might have existed. Tom Schmid lived in the cabin across the backyard of 28, and he and Henry Thompson, his one-time brother-in-law, also worked on the tracks. So, if some of the out-of-town guys wanted to "party" Tom could take up a collection and tell them "My cabin, this Saturday night." The Oakland Hells Angels had locked down the meth market there and were trying to lock down the marijuana biz. They had a clubhouse/safehouse in Quincy and a meth lab in Portola. They pretty much owned highway 70. But Henry could have bypassed them by going to Livermore--and that MAY have gotten Dana and Johnny killed. There was a rumor that Johnny and Dana had stolen 10 sheets of blotter acid from the HA clubhouse in Quincy (East Quincy?) and Henry may have traded that for some coke in Livermore. They were dropped off at the Exxon station on the west end of Quincy and Henry's truck was there. Etc etc etc. Henry's sister Alice was friends with Sheila (Alice was invited to the sleepover that night) and Sheila was at their parents house talking to Alice a half hour before the boys were dropped off at the Exxon station. In fact, it may have been more likely that their ride was the one who actually grabbed the blotter acid Saturday morning after partying at the HA clubhouse Friday night.
There were spur lines running through the area around (logging) Camp 18 in the far southwest corner of Plumas County for the lumber companies to ship out their logs. They were torn up and converted to regular roads in the late 70s.
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Admin Horan
Dec 23, 2019 at 6:28am
Suspects
Oh. I thought that guy's name was Dunagan. But it IS interesting. VERY interesting. Why:
1. There was a Filipino girl (that matters) living on her own in Keddie. She was recently moved up from Livermore. As far as I can see, there is only one reason ANYONE, let alone a very young woman, would move from Livermore to Keddie. She was a Hells Angels girl, maintaining a safe house/crashpad.
2. A very notorious associate of the Hells Angels whose name (I shall call him "Big Red" because I like the idea of keeping my head attached to my shoulders) pops up in a LOT of iffy homicide cases lived in Livermore. He has a reputation for killing a LOT of "snitches."
3. If Chuck and Henry went to Livermore that weekend, it was to pick up narcotics, most likely meth, maybe cocaine. Meth, of course, induces effects similar to "acid," and "people" exhibiting such symptoms that weekend were just as likely to have been on meth as acid. One big difference: meth tends to make people VIOLENT. The Hells Angels had at that time a MONOPOLY on meth and a near-monopoly on LSD in Northern California. They had a lab just down the road in Portola, and a "clubhouse" (codenamed The Yellow House) in East Quincy. Not so much cocaine, but they had access to cocaine. They were working with Gamberg and his partner to bust all the non-HA pot farms in Plumas County to maintain their attempted monopoly on pot.
4. But if the HA wanted Johnny and/or Dana dead, they would not have been so stupid as to make the mess in Cabin 28. And the mess in Cabin 28 does NOT fit the MO of Big Red. And I don't see ANYTHING about that mess to suggest ANY kind of planning or foresight. I suggest Dana was killed by accident, and things went downhill from there.
5. BUT--it IS interesting that associates of one John Gordon Abbott, were pointing fingers at each other for the mess in Keddie. Why? Because Abbott and Phillip Arthur Thompson were hand in glove with the FBI, CIA, and DEA, and ATF. They robbed banks, sold narcotics, and traded weapons (like a warehouse full of Vietnam War surplus FULL of M-16 rifles, etc) to Salvadoran communist rebels in exchange for cocaine, which they dealt to the Hells Angels, for a short while. I mean, these guys operated their own private warehouse in San Francisco. All with the generous cooperation of Uncle Sam. For example, when they DID serve time, they were ALWAYS put in the same cell, in the same prison. Inside, they could gain information from other cons, then use that information when they were released ridiculously early. Constantly shielded by the Feds, Abbott committed several murders of young women. When the fun was over, the Salvadoran connection was shut down--and shifted to Columbia, instead. We all know the rest of that story.
6. But, I've already looked into a possible Abbot-Keddie connection. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Except, of course, the possible HA connection. Which is how I suspect Thompson heard about Keddie. Any "cover" these guys had for Keddie or any other crimes has long been blown off. And there is just absolutely nothing to suggest they were involved in Keddie 28. Any cocaine that Henry and Chuck may have picked up from Livermore would have most likely originated with Abbott and Company, but that's as far as that went.
7. On the other hand, IF Chuck and Henry drove to Livermore to pick up a PERSON, then drove that person BACK to Livermore, THAT might explain the "confusion" over what day(s) they went there. And if that person were one James Dunagan/Dunnigan, and not Big Red, then THAT might explain the mess in Cabin 28. How?
8. I suggest that everyone in town assumed that Dana was narcing. Whether he was or not. And he's the one who made the big effort to befriend Johnny all of a sudden. If Johnny's/Sheila's "friend" Henry Thompson was hinky about Dana, he might have said something to someone who called in outside help. I don't see any real evidence of that. But it's POSSIBLE.
And there's NO WAY Chuck, Henry, and anyone else would have crossed Big Red and his crew. No way.
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Admin Horan
Feb 21, 2019 at 9:25am
The Ride
Also, keep in mind--it's only 5.5 miles from the Exxon station to Keddie. They could easily have walked it.
Also, they don't seem to have been waiting for a ride to Keddie. Some people said they were riding back and forth to the park. It's also obvious that Wade stopped to talk to them on his way home from FRC, and probably dropped off Phillip at the same time. Then told his mother about it when he got home. Then lied to police about it. Why? Probably because the boys told him they were waiting for a SPECIFIC "ride" to show up.
Assuming Chuck and Henry left the Exxon station at 1:00ish Saturday afternoon (riiiiiight after Donna dropped off the boys, and before Sue picked them up. Right after Sheila talked to Henry's sister...) it would have taken them just about 4 hours to drive to Livermore, where what's-her-name said they stayed about 30 minutes, then another four hours back, puts them at the Exxon at juuuuust about 9:30--just about the