Post by Hope on Nov 30, 2023 3:15:56 GMT
This a post from k28 that accompanied Jamie's 4/20/81 interview with DOJ Bradley. Some interesting stuff here:
Re: My Trip to Keddie 2020
Postby dmac » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:56 am
Sans pizza, I'll push forward. I'll let the day take me where I'm most called for, which is down to what I'm best capable of given the circumstances. First up is a full report of an interview with Jamie. It's the same old drill for us at this point: We know these documents are shit and are not meant to reflect what was said (and recorded on missing evidence tapes). The reports emphasize what the pigs (Crimely in this instance) want the case to be about, what they want the victims of their corruption (Jamie, in this document) to say. Then, with Jamie, we have him already recoiling from mistakenly truthfully saying, initially, that he'd entered 28 through the rear door, left ajar by the killers, and had scouted the upstairs for survivors. Well, I'd better say it now rather than in my wind-up ending:
Once I have all the Jamie reports and versions up, we'll be able to read them side-by-side and chronologically. There are so many reasons for Jamie lying about scouting the upstairs, but when did the lie start? My gut tells me Sheila and Z and J and the boys may have had a pow-wow while waiting to be interviewed. Rick was lying about waking up right off the bat, but Greg and Justin weren't. And right from the start, Sheila is lying, Zonita is very vague on important details (how did Sheila replace Tina at 27? Who called the police? Who called Don? How was Sheila behaving Sat and Sunday, before 'finding' the bodies?) I'm putting every account of how "Sheila 'finds' the murders" in a folder, and I think we'll see a pattern emerge from that project alone.
Jamie: So many stories of the back door. Even he and Z went to PCSO to emphatically state Jamie never set foot in 28. Bollocks. But, what is completely illogical and apparently left out of his accounts? He knew Johnny was dead upstairs, and knew Johnny lived downstairs, yet he never looked downstairs for Tina or anyone else? Upstairs was wall-to-wall blood and guts, and he hadn't the brains to look in the basement?
As with every other instance of the basement being intentionally excised from existence in this complex case, one could assume police reports were doctored while or after written (there is the document stating Jamie then went to check the basement, and I'll need to weave that back in because I think it was Zonita saying it LOOKED like Jamie was heading to the back to check the inside, and she told him to stop. A lie, of course, if Z actually claimed that to cops). But there's a couple CS accounts- particularly Shaver's- that are handwritten. Shaver talked to Jamie, got his account, and no mention of the basement ever from Shaver. And I've nothing bad to say about Shaver, he seemed like the proverbial Real Deal. I've found no corruption in his career, nor in his sparse reports. As is typical, the good cops were steered clear of the Keddie case, even their Top Cops for such crimes (Forcino). And look at the overlooked Marinovich from DOJ; I was alarmed to find he was CA DOJ because his reports showed no fraud. He was the Real Deal, to which Gam said, "That's why they took him off the case."
The long as short: Get ready for the obfuscation and distortion that Crimely put into their reports. But also look at what Jamie does say that those dumb yobbos miss.
OK. The day after the funerals, Jamie gets the Crimely Treatment. 4-20-81, four pages:
810420-HB-Jamie-Seabolt-1-Sat-night,-Sheila's-reaction,-boys-out,-climbed-window.jpg
Bed at 11, same time Sheila (downstairs) 'thought' Sr & Z went to bed (upstairs). No noise, no traffic. Next he knew, and first he knew, was Sheila talking bodies, knife, blood all over. No screaming or tears in this acct, of course. How does one "start to wait"?! Here's trouble: He decides to climb the sill and help the boys out. No mention of where Sheila or Z is, and there's NEVER mention of Alyssa or Paula being there, but Alyssa saw shit indicating she was there, as did Paula. I cannot imagine either (Tina's bestie, and Sheila's latest sudden bestie who was Dana's gf) NOT being out in the thick of it. No talk ever from Z of telling anyone to go and stay inside 27 because Sheila was talking murder.)
The most difficult part of the window sill BS is that it's beyond unlikely. It's absolute BULLSHIT. He either climbed in the room from the window or went up the back steps and into their room, as he first described it. NO F-ING WAY HE JAMMED HIMSELF INTO TAT WINDOW OPENING AND PULLED ANYTHING THROUGH. Take a look at the size of the window. Young and spry enough? Climb into a similar window and try to do anything beyond not falling out. Try 'helping' a 12 y/o anything out that window while you're hogging up the opening just by trying to stay IN the window! Fucking buffoons bought this shit, hook line and stinker? Even Shaver?
'Sorry' from the outset, this is obviously going to be an extemporaneous affair, not even stream-of-consciousness quality, as all I can offer is a trickle in a laminar flow of weak rebuttals to the obvious. Page two: Please read all of page one now, word-for-word. Page Two:
He's up on the fence, OPENED SUE'S BEDROOM WINDOW (??!!), and poked in BUT NEVER ENTERING (oh were that the case for his child-rape trial).
THIS IS WHEN HE OBSERVED THE CLOSET LIGHT ON. Again, the closet door opened away and outward from the bedroom door. That meant, with the shelves blocking the way, the only way to see that light on was from that window OR FROM WALKING IN THE ROOM. He did the latter.
Note, also, the Girls' Room is called the 'rear bedroom' by Harry, which is habitual and ritualistic throughout the case. It's as if a blatant attempt is made to muddy the waters of the layout of 28, the very crime scene. No basement, no proper layout of the house done, no uniform naming of pertinent areas of the crime scene, and NO BASEMENT IN EXISTENCE. OK, now I'm riffing. Slow down, Silver.
Doug & Les arrives. Proves to me Sheila and Z went to the owners (25) to call PCSO (Z probably) and Don (Sheila definitely, as who else would know his number? And he wasn't in the book, was he?) This means Jamie was ALONE AT 28 (again, find Alysa and Paula), and the narrative here is such that it proves he was alone and made the decision to rescue the boys. This minuscule observation will loom large down the road, mark my words. I'm used to this feeling, it's like the smell of napalm in the morning. Yes, apocalypse is now.
Now's a great time to read all of Page Two...
810420-HB-Jamie-Seabolt-2-closet-light,look-thru-front-door,-up-back-stairs.jpg
Doug and Les arrive. Jamie pokes his head inside (??!! again, a stock phrase doesn't smell possible or true). He saw to bodies, no knife, but something bent on the floor near Johnny (the knife). This is no longer a narrative, but Jamie's answers to specific Qs. Pigs were leading the conversation where? Let him tell his version WITHOUT FUCKING WITH HIM. Who cares if he saw the knife? If these assholes are going to interrupt him over that slight bit of BD, WTF about the TV upside down on the floor? Dear fart-sniffing Christ, my BP must be off the charts by now. Pull to the side of the road, take a slice, relax.
It's critical to note that, in thhis version, it's AFTER D & L arrive that he ambles up the back steps. "Stood on the back landing. The porch door was standing open. DID NOT ENTER THE REAR PORTION OF THE HOUSE."
Interesting, as McClish would probably deduce this meant he gained access to other portions of the house via another door or window. But this is Harry's words, so we need a crypto-dino-pedo-psychiatrist to untangle why Harry twisted Jamie's words into that exact form
Again, shitting on Jamie's account, they ask the same dumb Qs: Dana's friends? (RMX and Walter MX) often at 28.
PAGE THREE please turn now (bell)
810420-HB-Jamie-Seabolt-3-set-up-Dareyl-Sue.jpg
Now Crimely are obviously asking about anything odd he may have noticed leading up to the 187s. Jamie tells of introducing Sue to Dareyl 2-3 weeks prior, at the behest of Jack. RR workers up on The Flats.
OKAY, disembark. Time to discuss FLATS. They were:
[...]
810420-HB-Jamie-Seabolt-4-Tina-asks-time.jpg
That's the end of the Jamie interview, and it jumps into a "re-interview" with Paula 4-28. he IDs Dareyl, who apparently had a PCSO record, by a photo and says that's who Jack wanted Sue to meet. And again confirms what Tina was last wearing, and that she kept asking what time it was (because she had to be home at ten). I wonder if Tina going home to be murdered was as simple as just that: No real discussion, just Sheila coming back for her one-and-only sleepover after darkening 28, and simply telling her, "mom says you have to be home by ten." Hence her silent return, no last words between TV Whore Sue and her 'Little Angel', she just went straight home, climbed into bed, light's out. Forever.
"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."
reach me at
keddie28 AT gmail DOT com
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Postby dmac » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:56 am
Sans pizza, I'll push forward. I'll let the day take me where I'm most called for, which is down to what I'm best capable of given the circumstances. First up is a full report of an interview with Jamie. It's the same old drill for us at this point: We know these documents are shit and are not meant to reflect what was said (and recorded on missing evidence tapes). The reports emphasize what the pigs (Crimely in this instance) want the case to be about, what they want the victims of their corruption (Jamie, in this document) to say. Then, with Jamie, we have him already recoiling from mistakenly truthfully saying, initially, that he'd entered 28 through the rear door, left ajar by the killers, and had scouted the upstairs for survivors. Well, I'd better say it now rather than in my wind-up ending:
Once I have all the Jamie reports and versions up, we'll be able to read them side-by-side and chronologically. There are so many reasons for Jamie lying about scouting the upstairs, but when did the lie start? My gut tells me Sheila and Z and J and the boys may have had a pow-wow while waiting to be interviewed. Rick was lying about waking up right off the bat, but Greg and Justin weren't. And right from the start, Sheila is lying, Zonita is very vague on important details (how did Sheila replace Tina at 27? Who called the police? Who called Don? How was Sheila behaving Sat and Sunday, before 'finding' the bodies?) I'm putting every account of how "Sheila 'finds' the murders" in a folder, and I think we'll see a pattern emerge from that project alone.
Jamie: So many stories of the back door. Even he and Z went to PCSO to emphatically state Jamie never set foot in 28. Bollocks. But, what is completely illogical and apparently left out of his accounts? He knew Johnny was dead upstairs, and knew Johnny lived downstairs, yet he never looked downstairs for Tina or anyone else? Upstairs was wall-to-wall blood and guts, and he hadn't the brains to look in the basement?
As with every other instance of the basement being intentionally excised from existence in this complex case, one could assume police reports were doctored while or after written (there is the document stating Jamie then went to check the basement, and I'll need to weave that back in because I think it was Zonita saying it LOOKED like Jamie was heading to the back to check the inside, and she told him to stop. A lie, of course, if Z actually claimed that to cops). But there's a couple CS accounts- particularly Shaver's- that are handwritten. Shaver talked to Jamie, got his account, and no mention of the basement ever from Shaver. And I've nothing bad to say about Shaver, he seemed like the proverbial Real Deal. I've found no corruption in his career, nor in his sparse reports. As is typical, the good cops were steered clear of the Keddie case, even their Top Cops for such crimes (Forcino). And look at the overlooked Marinovich from DOJ; I was alarmed to find he was CA DOJ because his reports showed no fraud. He was the Real Deal, to which Gam said, "That's why they took him off the case."
The long as short: Get ready for the obfuscation and distortion that Crimely put into their reports. But also look at what Jamie does say that those dumb yobbos miss.
OK. The day after the funerals, Jamie gets the Crimely Treatment. 4-20-81, four pages:
810420-HB-Jamie-Seabolt-1-Sat-night,-Sheila's-reaction,-boys-out,-climbed-window.jpg
Bed at 11, same time Sheila (downstairs) 'thought' Sr & Z went to bed (upstairs). No noise, no traffic. Next he knew, and first he knew, was Sheila talking bodies, knife, blood all over. No screaming or tears in this acct, of course. How does one "start to wait"?! Here's trouble: He decides to climb the sill and help the boys out. No mention of where Sheila or Z is, and there's NEVER mention of Alyssa or Paula being there, but Alyssa saw shit indicating she was there, as did Paula. I cannot imagine either (Tina's bestie, and Sheila's latest sudden bestie who was Dana's gf) NOT being out in the thick of it. No talk ever from Z of telling anyone to go and stay inside 27 because Sheila was talking murder.)
The most difficult part of the window sill BS is that it's beyond unlikely. It's absolute BULLSHIT. He either climbed in the room from the window or went up the back steps and into their room, as he first described it. NO F-ING WAY HE JAMMED HIMSELF INTO TAT WINDOW OPENING AND PULLED ANYTHING THROUGH. Take a look at the size of the window. Young and spry enough? Climb into a similar window and try to do anything beyond not falling out. Try 'helping' a 12 y/o anything out that window while you're hogging up the opening just by trying to stay IN the window! Fucking buffoons bought this shit, hook line and stinker? Even Shaver?
'Sorry' from the outset, this is obviously going to be an extemporaneous affair, not even stream-of-consciousness quality, as all I can offer is a trickle in a laminar flow of weak rebuttals to the obvious. Page two: Please read all of page one now, word-for-word. Page Two:
He's up on the fence, OPENED SUE'S BEDROOM WINDOW (??!!), and poked in BUT NEVER ENTERING (oh were that the case for his child-rape trial).
THIS IS WHEN HE OBSERVED THE CLOSET LIGHT ON. Again, the closet door opened away and outward from the bedroom door. That meant, with the shelves blocking the way, the only way to see that light on was from that window OR FROM WALKING IN THE ROOM. He did the latter.
Note, also, the Girls' Room is called the 'rear bedroom' by Harry, which is habitual and ritualistic throughout the case. It's as if a blatant attempt is made to muddy the waters of the layout of 28, the very crime scene. No basement, no proper layout of the house done, no uniform naming of pertinent areas of the crime scene, and NO BASEMENT IN EXISTENCE. OK, now I'm riffing. Slow down, Silver.
Doug & Les arrives. Proves to me Sheila and Z went to the owners (25) to call PCSO (Z probably) and Don (Sheila definitely, as who else would know his number? And he wasn't in the book, was he?) This means Jamie was ALONE AT 28 (again, find Alysa and Paula), and the narrative here is such that it proves he was alone and made the decision to rescue the boys. This minuscule observation will loom large down the road, mark my words. I'm used to this feeling, it's like the smell of napalm in the morning. Yes, apocalypse is now.
Now's a great time to read all of Page Two...
810420-HB-Jamie-Seabolt-2-closet-light,look-thru-front-door,-up-back-stairs.jpg
Doug and Les arrive. Jamie pokes his head inside (??!! again, a stock phrase doesn't smell possible or true). He saw to bodies, no knife, but something bent on the floor near Johnny (the knife). This is no longer a narrative, but Jamie's answers to specific Qs. Pigs were leading the conversation where? Let him tell his version WITHOUT FUCKING WITH HIM. Who cares if he saw the knife? If these assholes are going to interrupt him over that slight bit of BD, WTF about the TV upside down on the floor? Dear fart-sniffing Christ, my BP must be off the charts by now. Pull to the side of the road, take a slice, relax.
It's critical to note that, in thhis version, it's AFTER D & L arrive that he ambles up the back steps. "Stood on the back landing. The porch door was standing open. DID NOT ENTER THE REAR PORTION OF THE HOUSE."
Interesting, as McClish would probably deduce this meant he gained access to other portions of the house via another door or window. But this is Harry's words, so we need a crypto-dino-pedo-psychiatrist to untangle why Harry twisted Jamie's words into that exact form
Again, shitting on Jamie's account, they ask the same dumb Qs: Dana's friends? (RMX and Walter MX) often at 28.
PAGE THREE please turn now (bell)
810420-HB-Jamie-Seabolt-3-set-up-Dareyl-Sue.jpg
Now Crimely are obviously asking about anything odd he may have noticed leading up to the 187s. Jamie tells of introducing Sue to Dareyl 2-3 weeks prior, at the behest of Jack. RR workers up on The Flats.
OKAY, disembark. Time to discuss FLATS. They were:
[...]
810420-HB-Jamie-Seabolt-4-Tina-asks-time.jpg
That's the end of the Jamie interview, and it jumps into a "re-interview" with Paula 4-28. he IDs Dareyl, who apparently had a PCSO record, by a photo and says that's who Jack wanted Sue to meet. And again confirms what Tina was last wearing, and that she kept asking what time it was (because she had to be home at ten). I wonder if Tina going home to be murdered was as simple as just that: No real discussion, just Sheila coming back for her one-and-only sleepover after darkening 28, and simply telling her, "mom says you have to be home by ten." Hence her silent return, no last words between TV Whore Sue and her 'Little Angel', she just went straight home, climbed into bed, light's out. Forever.
"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."
reach me at
keddie28 AT gmail DOT com
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