Post by Hope on Oct 9, 2021 17:36:19 GMT
by jhancock » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:00 pm
Yes, you read that right: 32 pages. It's not all going up tonight, but it will be complete in a few days. I have had these documents for some time, but chose not to post them until after I met Chuck. For those who have seen Part II, Chuck's interview is near the end. Since the time of our interview, I have talked with Chuck and exchanged many emails and messages. He has told me countless stories about being harassed by the PCSO--both in 1981 and even today. He was willing to participate in the documentary despite being aware of the difficulty that might give him in regards to the sheriff's office; Chuck made it clear many times that he wants to see justice done in the case and that he and Henry had attempted, in good faith, to provide the PCSO with information. Sure enough, since his interview, he and his family have been bothered by at least one PCSO employee. I think being aware of these facts adds a new dimension to the lengthy documents below.
They are arranged chronologically by date.
1330 hrs. 4-30-81. I contacted Maggie; re: Chuck W. having cut marks on him.
Maggie said that last Saturday night (4-25-81), Susan K. had been in the dorm lounge and had gone out for a few minutes and when she returned at approx. 2130 hrs, Chuck and another guy was with her. Chuck and the other guy talked about some other guy who was supposed to have $1200 on him, and said they should do it the way the thing was done in Keddie. They were supposedly waiting for some guys in the bar, and were also waiting around for some girls that hang around the dorm, but do not live in the dorm--she did not know the names of any of the people, nor could she describe them.
I asked about the cuts on Chuck and she said he had 3-4 cuts, or what appeared to her to be cuts, on the back of his right hand. They were scabbed over and appeared to be old.
Maggie had also mentioned that when Chuck came in with Susie, Susie's sister Margaret, and another girl she thinks was named Tracy was also with them, besides Chuck's friend. Chuck and his friend are tree planters for the USF/S, according to Maggie.
7-1-81, approx. 1400 hr, I contacted Chuck W. at the S/O and questioned him regarding a subject he knows that Richard Meeks said was in front of the Sharp residence the night of the homicide. Subject's first name is supposed to be Steve, according to Meeks and is supposed to be a friend of Chuck's.
Chuck told me that the subject is Steve Lucas and that Steve told him and Meeks that he was out walking the night of the homicide and had walked past the Sharp house but didn't hear or see anything.
I questioned Chuck as to his whereabouts during the night of the crime and he offered the following information:
On Friday, 4-10-81, he and a friend of his, Henry Thompson, went to Livermore to visit a friend of Chuck's by the name of Kathy Goddu. They drove Henry's red Chevy truck (small model like a luv). They stayed there Friday night and visited with friends. They left Kathy's house Saturday night (4-11-81) around 2330 or 0000hr for Quincy. They arrived at the Keddie turnoff around 0330hr and Henry said he wanted to see a friend in Keddie to see if he was going to work the following Monday (if he was still up). They drove into Keddie and Henry drove by the friend's home and saw that he was not up so he did not stop. Then they came out and Henry took Chuck home.
I asked Chuck if he saw anything in the area unusual and he said he did. He went on to explain that when they approached the Keddie turn off he saw a pickup truck parked in the turn off in front of the old gas station along highway 70. Chuck said that the truck was a solid dark color and was probably around a 1975 model. He couldn't tell what type of truck it was but thought it was a Ford or Chevy. Chuck said that there were two men at the rear of the truck and as they drove by (Chuck on the passenger side) he saw them walking toward the doors to get in the truck. He noticed the driver better than the passenger as the truck was parked in such a position that he could see the driver side. He said the two men could have been putting something in the rear of the truck when he first observed them, but he could not be sure. Chuck said the two men looked similar to the composite drawings he saw in the newspaper in that the hair was about the same as well as the general build and one of them (driver) wore dark glasses. The driver also had a checkered type short sleeve shirt and Levis and possibly boots. He also had a splotch or spot of something on his left arm just below the shoulder and above the elbow. Both men wore short sleeve shirts and the passenger had a mustache.
On the way out of Keddie, Chuck did not see the vehicle or subjects still there. He could offer no further description on the subjects or vehicle at this time but will give it some thought and if he comes up with anything else he will call. He is willing to undergo hypnosis for better recall. Note: Chuck does not drive a vehicle.
7-1-81, approx. 1630 hr, I called Henry T. on the phone and advised him that I had spoken with Chuck earlier this date and that he said they had observed a vehicle and subject at Keddie the night of the homicides while in route back from the Livermore area.
Henry said that they had gone to Livermore to visit friends of Chuck's and that on the way back to Quincy they stopped at Keddie because Henry wanted to see his brother-in-law who lives there. Henry did not know who Chuck's friends were that they visited in Livermore. He said they drove his (Henry's) red 1978 Toyota pick up. They arrived at Keddie around 0400 hr on 4-12-81. Henry was certain that they did not see anyone on Highway 70 around the old service station and they continued into Keddie to his brother-in-law's house where they pulled into the driveway for a few seconds. He noticed that it did not appear that anyone was up so he drove out. On the way out of Keddie he noticed the vehicle that Chuck was talking about and that it was parked facing the street in the driveway next to the Keddie store in front of the garbage bins. Henry also said he was sure the vehicle, a pickup, unknown make, was white or light color. He saw one subject next to the pickup outside. Henry said he thought maybe the subject was dumping garbage. He said they continued out of Keddie and that he took Chuck home and then returned home himself.
I asked Henry who his brother-in-law is and he said Tom S. and that he lived behind the Sharp house. Henry gave me a phone number of [blank] but said his brother-in-law is currently on vacation and would not be home.
I asked Henry if he knew the Sharps or Wingate and he said he went to school with Wingate but he was older than Dana but knew him. He didn't know the Sharps.
I advised Henry that there were some obvious discrepancies in his story as compared to Chuck's story but did not tell him what they were. I further told him that I requested his presence at the S/O to further question him concerning the report. I told him it was important that the discrepancies be resolved now. He said that he had to put a tire on his car and could not make it tonight. I told him I could pick him up and bring him to the S/O and he stated that he had a lot to do tonight. He did agree, however, to meet me at the S/O tomorrow after work around 1400hr.
I attempted to contact Chuck for the same reason, but did not reach him.
I called the phone number Henry gave me for Tom S. but got no answer. Note: Tom S. lives at Cabin 14 Keddie and if he is the brother-in-law, the residence is very close to the Sharp home. In a previous report Tom told investigators that he saw a female doing dishes through the Sharp residence window.
7-1-81, approx. 1800hr, Henry came to the S/O and met with me. I asked him if he had discussed our conversation with Chuck since I talked to him on the phone and Henry told me he hadn't.
I requested that Henry confirm the following discrepancies.
1. I asked him if he saw anyone or any vehicle on highway 70 near the old gas station. He said he did not.
2. I asked him if he saw anyone or any vehicle such as Chuck described in Keddie when they drove in. He said they didn't.
3. I asked him when he did see the vehicle he thought suspicious and he said when they were on their way out of Keddie.
4. I asked him if they had stopped in Keddie and he said they did stop at his brother-in-law's house in the driveway.
5. I asked him what route they took while driving through Keddie. He said they drove toward Quincy on Highway 70, turned off on the Keddie turn off, drove in front of the restaurant and turned left at the end of the restaurant and pulled into Tom S.'s driveway. Backed up out of the driveway and exited Keddie the exact sam way they entered. He said they did not drive around the road in front of the Sharp residence at any time.
6. I asked him where he saw the vehicle. He said parked facing the street in the alley next to the Keddie Store where the garbage bins are, across from the restaurant.
7. I asked him what color the vehicle was and he said it was a light-colored pickup truck.
8. I asked him about any subjects he saw around the pickup and he said he only saw one subject but couldn't tell if it were female or male and could not give a description. He added, however, that Chuck saw two subjects.
9. I asked him to describe the vehicle and he said it was an old beat-up truck around 1965 model. No further description.
Note: the above questions were asked of Henry approx. three times and confirmed by him prior to his knowledge of what Chuck told me.
I told Henry what Chuck told me concerning the above information, which was:
1. The vehicle they saw was at the old abandoned gas station on Highway 70 and they didn't observe any suspicious vehicles in Keddie.
2. They saw the vehicle and subjects on the way into Keddie and the vehicle and subjects were gone on the way out.
3. They did not stop in Keddie but saw the lights out so just drove on by.
4. Chuck said they drove past the Sharp residence and around the block.
5. Chuck said the vehicle was a solid dark color.
I told Henry that Chuck told me that they had discussed the vehicle and the subjects and therefore they should both be talking of the same vehicle and incident. Above was after Henry told me that they hadn't talked about it.
I asked Henry for an explanation for the discrepancies and after several pauses and thought, he stated he could not explain the difference. He added that they had some to drink at a party in a community near Livermore and had gotten pretty drunk there but was not that drunk when they arrived at Keddie. Henry added that maybe he is mistaken.
I noted and advised Henry at that time that he does resemble the composite drawing of a possible suspect in this case and asked him if he had observed the drawings in the newspapers or anywhere else. He said he hadn't.
Due to the discrepancies, the fact that he and Chuck were in Keddie the night of the homicides and cannot prove their activities during that time (0300 or 0400 hrs), were at least close to the Sharp residence, and resemble the composite drawings, I advised Henry of the polygraph test and asked him if he had any objection to taking it to straighten out the inconsistencies. He took a very long pause and then stated he wanted to talk to Chuck to straighten it out. I advised him it would be best for the test if he did not discuss the information with Chuck prior to the test. I again asked him if he would take the test. After another long pause, Henry agreed to take the test.
It should be noted that Henry wears gold-framed glasses.
At this point, for the purposes (possible purposes) of the polygraph examiner, I asked Henry several direct questions. Prior to doing so, however, I advised him of his rights per the Miranda Warning. He stated he understood his rights and answered my questions.
1. Were you in Keddie on the night of 4-11-81 or morning of 4-12-81?
A. Yes.
2. Did you stop while in Keddie?
A. Yes.
3. Where did you stop?
A. At my brother-in-law's house in the driveway.
4. Have you ever been in the Sharp residence when they were home?
A. No. (but added that his brother used to live there and he has been in the house prior to the Sharps moving in)
5. Were you at a party anywhere on 4-11-81 or morning of 4-12-81 in the Keddie, Quincy, or Meadow Valley area?
A. No.
6. Did you meet with anyone the night the Sharps were killed in Keddie or did you talk with anyone in Keddie except Chuck?
A. No.
7. Did you see Johnny, Dana, Sue, or Tina the night of the homicides in Keddie?
A. No.
I explained to Henry the necessity for this type of questioning and he stated that he understood and wanted to cooperate.
I asked him if I could take his photograph to assist in this investigation and he said he would object to that. I asked him why and he said he didn't think there was a reason for that. I told him I would use it in a possible photo line-up to present to a witness in this case. And, I told him that it would assist in proving or disproving his statements. He reluctantly agreed at that time to allow his photo taken. After taking the photo, he again said he wanted to straighten this out and was willing to cooperate.
On conclusion with Henry, I attempted to contact Chuck again but was unable to find him home. Quincy patrol deputies will attempt to contact him and have him reach me at the S/O tomorrow.
I called DOJ agent Mike Crimm to contact the subject in Livermore that Chuck and Henry visited and he said he would contact them on 7-2-81.
I contacted Sam Lister of the DOJ polygraph division on 7-2-81 and arranged a test for Henry on Wednesday the 8th of July at 1300 hr.
7-2-81 0930 hr, I again attempted to contact Chuck for re-questioning but could not locate him at home. I contacted his father and asked him to get word to his son for me and he said he would.
7-2-81, I called Henry at approx. 1530hr and advised him that I had contacted the polygraph examiner and he would be here on Wednesday at 1300 hr for the test. Henry advised me that he did not appreciate being accused of murder and refused to take the test. He further said that if I had anything further to say to him that I could contact him at his house as he was not coming to the S/O anymore. I told him I would be right there.
I contacted Henry at his residence and Detective Forcino was with me. I noticed that Henry's mother was there so I asked her to accompany me outside and told her that I wanted to talk to her in private before I talked to Henry. I advised the mother of everything that I had learned and discussed with Henry and told her about the polygraph test as an investigative tool to use so I could determine if the boys were truthful or not. On conclusion of the conversation, the mother agreed that I was not harassing her son or accusing him of anything and that he should take the polygraph. We went back into the house and she explained what I had told her to Henry. She also told him he should take the test. He said he wanted to talk to Chuck and was hesitant about taking the test. I explained to him that I could not use the results of the polygraph test in court and after thinking about it for a while he agreed again to take the test.
Note: When I previously talked to Henry, he told me that he did not know any of the Sharps, but did know Dana.
While talking with Henry's mother outside, she told me that her daughter, Alice, was supposed to spend the night at the Sharp's house with the oldest Sharp girl the night of the homicide, but something happened and she couldn't make it. Alice was contacted earlier, according to the mother.
Henry's mother further stated that she was home Sunday morning when her son arrived home and it was around 0330 or 0400. She said she did not notice anything unusual about his appearance or manner. She was up when he arrived home.
On conclusion of these interviews, Forcino and I went to Chuck's residence on the old Keddie round house road as I have not been able to make contact with him via the phone or through his dad. On arrival we found Chuck working at a trailer home next to his residence. I told Chuck that there were some problems with the information he and Henry gave me and he said he understood that. I asked him if he had talked to Henry since I talked to him yesterday and he said he had. The only explanation he could offer for the discrepancies was that maybe he saw something that Henry didn't see. I again asked him if they had talked about the vehicle and subjects before I learned of it. He said they had and he didn't understand why Henry said that unless he didn't actually see what he thought or said he had seen. Chuck also confirmed information he had given me earlier about the location, vehicle, route through Keddie, etc., except he now states that the vehicle may have been light in color but looked dark in the nighttime. Also, he said that it was solid color not solid dark color as I stated. I, however, distinctly remember him saying it was a solid dark color on three occasions. Chuck also stated that he now thinks they did stop on the way through Keddie and it was for a few seconds in front of Henry's brother-in-law's house on the street. Those were the only two changes he made in the information.
I advised Chuck of the polygraph test and that Henry had just agreed to take it. I asked him if he would take it to clear this issue up and he said he would. He is scheduled for Wednesday, 8th of July at 11:30 am.
I asked him also if there was anyone in Keddie or elsewhere that could confirm his actions while in Keddie that morning except Henry and he said that maybe Mike M saw him. I sent Detective Forcino over to ask Mike if he had observed Henry or Chuck in Keddie that morning and Mike told Forcino that he hadn't, he didn't think.
I also asked Chuck for the address he was at in Livermore again he he [gave it]. I asked him if he was sure and he said he was. I told him that Crim had been there and no such person as he told me lived there. He thought for a minute and said that was across the street and that the correct address was [blank], not [blank], and he was mistaken.
Approx. 1700hr, I attempted to contact DOJ agent Crim but he was not in. 1800 hr, I contacted Lt. Johnson of the Livermore Police Department an explained my need for contact at the above address. He said he would find out if it is a valid address, who lives there, if they know Chuck or Henry, when they last saw them, and what time they left.
I asked Chuck if he knew any of the Sharps or Wingate and he said he only knew Wingate.
On my previous contact with Chuck, he told me that he was interested in playing detective and was at the Sharp house for several nights after the homicides, talking to the deputy guarding the house (I didn't ask him, he just volunteered the information). He also said that he walked the tracks looking for Tina.
When I talked to Henry the first time, I had him show me the route he took when he drove into Keddie the morning of 4-12-81. It's a rough sketch map on notepaper that I drew and he told me where he went and parked while in Keddie. During this conversation with Chuck, I asked him to do the same on a second map that I drew. He did so.
7-2-81, Dispatcher McCarthy called me at home and advised that Lt. Johnson called and said that they checked the Livermore address and found the subject Kathy G. lived there. Lt. Johnson talked to her and she told me that Chuck was at her residence for approx. 30 minutes on 4-11-81 and she spoke with him outside. They left her residence and went to her brother's place in San Ramon. He also advised that a DOJ agent had also been at the residence.
7-6-81, I contacted DOJ agent Leonard. Kathy G. told Leonard that it could have been Friday night the 10th that the two subjects, Chuck and Henry, were at her house instead of Saturday the 11th. They left around 2200 hr.
I feel that there is also possibly discrepancies in what she is saying took place at her residence and what Chuck and Henry said they did there. I will re-interview both on Wednesday the 8th to examine that further.
7-8-81, approx. 1000hr, Chuck came to the S/O for the polygraph test. On arrival, I had jailer Christensen photograph Chuck for ID purposes and take a set of his fingerprints. On conclusion with that, I questioned Chuck concerning his activities in Livermore while there. He said that he now thinks they left Saturday, 4-11-81, during the afternoon. When they arrived there, they went to Mark G.'s house where they drank some beer and visited with him. After that they went to Springtown to visit Chuck's current girlfriend, but she wasn't home. They drove around some and then went to Caren G.'s house and visited with her for a few minutes outside. They left there around 2300 hr and returned to Keddie. Chuck said that they returned to the Quincy area alone and that no one came back with them. [Josh's note: I think the writer of this report means "Kathy G," not "Caren G."]
At that time the polygraph examiner, Sam Lister, was ready and Chuck took the test. According to Lister, Chuck is telling the truth and was not involved in the homicides, nor does he know who did commit the crimes, based on what the test results are.
7-8-81, I drew five photos from ID files in the PCSO jail and mixed them with a photo of Henry T. I picked photos that are similar in appearance to Henry, including ID #s 9795, 2518, 9488, 9515, and 6066. I contacted Justin S. at the S/O and asked him to look at the photos and if he saw the man that he saw or dreamed about to let me know. He examined the photos for about five minutes and then stated that he could not identify the man from the photos. Justin said that the faces are not right on any of the photos.
In a previous interview with Henry's mother, and Alice, Henry's 13-year-old sister, Henry's mother mentioned that Alice was supposed to spend the night at the Sharp residence the night they were killed.
7-8-81, I contacted Alice to question her about the above information. Alice told me that Sheila stopped by her house on Lee Road, on Saturday, 4-11-81, while her (Sheila's) mother was visiting with the Meeks family. While there Sheila asked Alice to spend the night with her and they they would have a party and invite their mutual friend Kim M. and maybe some other people. Alice had to babysit that night so she couldn't spend the night with Sheila. Sheila spent a short time visiting at Alice's house that day and then left and Alice said she doesn't remember seeing her again after that.
I asked Alice how Sheila appeared that day and Alice said that there was nothing different other than that she kept looking out the window. Alice thought it was probably because she was waiting for her mother to pick her up. Alice said that Sheila had asked her to spend the night at the Sharp house on the day before (Friday) also, but Alice couldn't then either because her mother told her she couldn't.
Alice did not see Johnny or Dana Saturday but did see them the day before on Friday. She said they were walking on Main Street and she thought they were headed toward the Meeks residence.
I asked Alice how well-aquainted she was with the Sharps and she said she was good friends with Sheila and knew Johnny pretty well. She said that the families were not close, however, and her mother did not know the Sharps. She further stated that Henry, her brother, had met Sheila and Johnny, but was not good friends with them.
Alice could think of nothing the Sharps or Dana said or did that would indicate that someone was going to kill them.
I asked Alice about a man that approached her shortly after the homicides on a bicycle and asked her about the killings. She told me that shortly after the killings, a WMA with light color hair, was watching her and her friend Kim by the shopping center near the liquor store in East Quincy. He came up to them and asked them "Did you hear about the killings in Keddie?" She said yes and he said, "Have they got a suspect yet?" Alice said not that she knew of and he said, "Good." The WMA then rode off on a yellow 10-speed bike. They saw the same man later (in a day or two) and he started toward them again but Alice had an uneasy feeling about him, so they avoided him by running away.
10-16-81, approx. 1130 hr, I received a call from an adult male subject that refused to give his identity at this time.
The caller said he had information concerning the Keddie homicide. He then told me that a friend of his told him the day before yesterday (10-14-81) that he had been drinking with a railroad worker about a week ago and this railroad worker said that he was at the Keddie Murders when it happened. The caller went on to tell me what his friend told him.
That this railroad worker (who the S/O has given a polygraph examination concerning this case) was in Livermore and that another man named Larry or Jerry or Garry or related name gave the railroad worker a ride to Keddie from Livermore the night of the murders. The two went to Tom S.'s house in Keddie where there was a party going on involving the use of LSD. The railroad worker and the subject that gave him the ride then went to the Sharp house where they started playing a game with the victims and the subject that gave the railroad worker a ride tied up the victims. The caller said that the informant (drinking buddy of the railroad worker) had no further information except that the railroad worker said it only started out as a game.
The caller said he would identify himself as #974 at this time and would recontact me Tuesday, 10-20-81. I explained the need for his informant to come forward and contact me and "974" said he understood and would try to get him to come in.
"974" told me that his informant said that the railroad worker was very upset and nervous when telling him of the incident. Based on previous supplemental reports on Chuck W. and Henry T., I believe at this time that the railroad worker is Henry T. and the person that gave him a ride back from Livermore is Chuck W.
Request DOJ Agent Crim attempt to locate Kathy G.'s brother, Mark G., for further information on Chuck and Henry's activity and statements while in Livermore the night prior to the homicides. DOJ Crim and Bradley are familiar with above supplements and information concerning Mark G. who spent time with Chuck and Henry when they were in Livermore.
Further action pending recontact of "974."
2-19-82
After receiving several phone calls from "974" reference the information he was receiving from his informant, I arranged a meeting with 974, the informant, DOJ Bradley and myself at Lake Almanor on 2-19-82. Prior to the meeting, 974 met with the informant at the Westwood substation where he taped his own interview with the informant in the presence of a sergeant from Lassen Co. S/O. That tape reveals the same information that 974 said his informant told him. On 2-19-82, we met with the informant at Lake Almanor where I taped an interview with him. In the interview he told us that he used to live with Henry T. in a railroad trailer in Little Valley, CA, shortly after the homicides occurred in Keddie. During that time, Henry confided in him and at one time told him that he went to Livermore on the day before the murders to pick up a friend of his. They (Henry and the friend) returned to Keddie on the night of the homicides and stopped at the Tom S. residence. There was a party at that residence. Henry and his friend left the party and went to the Sharp residence next door. While there, Henry told the informant that his friend went berzerk and started tying up the victims. Henry told the informant that he became scared and left the house.
That was all Henry told informant. Informant felt Henry was telling the truth and felt from his appearance that he was telling informant information to get it off his chest. Informant said Henry appeared very nervous and afraid while he was telling informant the story. I asked informant why Henry would tell him something like that and he said partly because they had been drinking and partly because he needed to confide in someone with the information and he trusted informant because of his religious beliefs.
Informant said that Henry was driving a red Toyota pickup at the time.
On conclusion of the taping, the tape of the interview was given to DOJ Bradley by me to be reproduced into working copies. The originals (both 974's and ours) will be returned to me by Bradley on his next trip to Quincy. [Josh's note: during the filming of Part II, both cassette tapes were sent anonymously to me in the mail].
Informant, although reluctant at first, agreed to be wired and conduct another conference with Henry and if he can get Henry to say the same thing again, will take the information for us. Informant will contact when he has the information.
When I asked informant about Henry taking a polygraph, he informed me that Henry told him that he was requested to take one concerning the homicides but he beat it because prior to taking the test, he went to a hypnotist and was hypnotized to forget the incident. Informant doesn't know who or where.
DOJ Bradley has checked with Sam Lister of DOJ Polygraph section, who stated that above evasive tactic is not possible.
The only hypnotist in the phone book for this area is a Vicki C., in Reno, NV. I called her on 2-23-82 and advised her of the above information and asked her if she has seen anyone from the Keddie area that requested hypnotism of any form since April of 1981. She advised me she does remember a person from the Quincy area that worked for the railroad sometime last year requesting hypnotism. She will check her records and contact me.
2-23-82, approx. 1230 hr, I recontacted Vicki C. by phone and asked her if she came up with any more information on the subject she counciled last year from Quincy. She said he definitely worked for the railroad but she could not remember his name and she couldn't find anyone by the name of Henry T. in her files. She said he was in his late 20s, about 6'0 and thin. Also he had recently separated from his wife and had one or two kids and was hung up on losing them. She had about three or four appointments with him but he did not show up on the last one. That was all she could remember at this time.
I sent her a photograph of Henry for her to look at and let me know if he is the subject she talked with. I also asked her if it were possible to beat a polygraph test by undergoing hypnosis. She assured me it is.
3-5-82, I received a call from 974 in response to my request that he call me.
974 advised me that he is currently back to work with the railroad but has not seen Henry. He also said his back injury is still under investigation by the railroad and they are laying him off again sometime next week. He does not know when or if he will be able to go back to work for them again after that.
I suggested the possibility of using him as an agent to record information from Henry concerning this case by 974 does not think this is possible now because of the lack of possible contact with Henry and also because 974 has had second thoughts about being wired in that it may cause a safety factor for his family. 974 did assure me, however, that if the possibility came up he would notify me.
4-9-82, Agent Bradley and I went to Henry's residence on Lee Road, Quincy, and questioned him regarding the information we received from 974.
Henry said that he may have said what 974 told us because he (Henry) was getting tired of all the kidding and teasing about the Keddie homicide. He said they were calling him "keddie machete" and names like that. So, in retaliation out of anger and to tease back, he may have told 974 or other persons at work that he actually did kill the victims so as to get a response from them. I asked Henry if he didn't think that was a dumb thing to do and he agreed that it was.
Henry still insists that he knows nothing about the murders and took no part in them himself.
Yes, you read that right: 32 pages. It's not all going up tonight, but it will be complete in a few days. I have had these documents for some time, but chose not to post them until after I met Chuck. For those who have seen Part II, Chuck's interview is near the end. Since the time of our interview, I have talked with Chuck and exchanged many emails and messages. He has told me countless stories about being harassed by the PCSO--both in 1981 and even today. He was willing to participate in the documentary despite being aware of the difficulty that might give him in regards to the sheriff's office; Chuck made it clear many times that he wants to see justice done in the case and that he and Henry had attempted, in good faith, to provide the PCSO with information. Sure enough, since his interview, he and his family have been bothered by at least one PCSO employee. I think being aware of these facts adds a new dimension to the lengthy documents below.
They are arranged chronologically by date.
1330 hrs. 4-30-81. I contacted Maggie; re: Chuck W. having cut marks on him.
Maggie said that last Saturday night (4-25-81), Susan K. had been in the dorm lounge and had gone out for a few minutes and when she returned at approx. 2130 hrs, Chuck and another guy was with her. Chuck and the other guy talked about some other guy who was supposed to have $1200 on him, and said they should do it the way the thing was done in Keddie. They were supposedly waiting for some guys in the bar, and were also waiting around for some girls that hang around the dorm, but do not live in the dorm--she did not know the names of any of the people, nor could she describe them.
I asked about the cuts on Chuck and she said he had 3-4 cuts, or what appeared to her to be cuts, on the back of his right hand. They were scabbed over and appeared to be old.
Maggie had also mentioned that when Chuck came in with Susie, Susie's sister Margaret, and another girl she thinks was named Tracy was also with them, besides Chuck's friend. Chuck and his friend are tree planters for the USF/S, according to Maggie.
7-1-81, approx. 1400 hr, I contacted Chuck W. at the S/O and questioned him regarding a subject he knows that Richard Meeks said was in front of the Sharp residence the night of the homicide. Subject's first name is supposed to be Steve, according to Meeks and is supposed to be a friend of Chuck's.
Chuck told me that the subject is Steve Lucas and that Steve told him and Meeks that he was out walking the night of the homicide and had walked past the Sharp house but didn't hear or see anything.
I questioned Chuck as to his whereabouts during the night of the crime and he offered the following information:
On Friday, 4-10-81, he and a friend of his, Henry Thompson, went to Livermore to visit a friend of Chuck's by the name of Kathy Goddu. They drove Henry's red Chevy truck (small model like a luv). They stayed there Friday night and visited with friends. They left Kathy's house Saturday night (4-11-81) around 2330 or 0000hr for Quincy. They arrived at the Keddie turnoff around 0330hr and Henry said he wanted to see a friend in Keddie to see if he was going to work the following Monday (if he was still up). They drove into Keddie and Henry drove by the friend's home and saw that he was not up so he did not stop. Then they came out and Henry took Chuck home.
I asked Chuck if he saw anything in the area unusual and he said he did. He went on to explain that when they approached the Keddie turn off he saw a pickup truck parked in the turn off in front of the old gas station along highway 70. Chuck said that the truck was a solid dark color and was probably around a 1975 model. He couldn't tell what type of truck it was but thought it was a Ford or Chevy. Chuck said that there were two men at the rear of the truck and as they drove by (Chuck on the passenger side) he saw them walking toward the doors to get in the truck. He noticed the driver better than the passenger as the truck was parked in such a position that he could see the driver side. He said the two men could have been putting something in the rear of the truck when he first observed them, but he could not be sure. Chuck said the two men looked similar to the composite drawings he saw in the newspaper in that the hair was about the same as well as the general build and one of them (driver) wore dark glasses. The driver also had a checkered type short sleeve shirt and Levis and possibly boots. He also had a splotch or spot of something on his left arm just below the shoulder and above the elbow. Both men wore short sleeve shirts and the passenger had a mustache.
On the way out of Keddie, Chuck did not see the vehicle or subjects still there. He could offer no further description on the subjects or vehicle at this time but will give it some thought and if he comes up with anything else he will call. He is willing to undergo hypnosis for better recall. Note: Chuck does not drive a vehicle.
7-1-81, approx. 1630 hr, I called Henry T. on the phone and advised him that I had spoken with Chuck earlier this date and that he said they had observed a vehicle and subject at Keddie the night of the homicides while in route back from the Livermore area.
Henry said that they had gone to Livermore to visit friends of Chuck's and that on the way back to Quincy they stopped at Keddie because Henry wanted to see his brother-in-law who lives there. Henry did not know who Chuck's friends were that they visited in Livermore. He said they drove his (Henry's) red 1978 Toyota pick up. They arrived at Keddie around 0400 hr on 4-12-81. Henry was certain that they did not see anyone on Highway 70 around the old service station and they continued into Keddie to his brother-in-law's house where they pulled into the driveway for a few seconds. He noticed that it did not appear that anyone was up so he drove out. On the way out of Keddie he noticed the vehicle that Chuck was talking about and that it was parked facing the street in the driveway next to the Keddie store in front of the garbage bins. Henry also said he was sure the vehicle, a pickup, unknown make, was white or light color. He saw one subject next to the pickup outside. Henry said he thought maybe the subject was dumping garbage. He said they continued out of Keddie and that he took Chuck home and then returned home himself.
I asked Henry who his brother-in-law is and he said Tom S. and that he lived behind the Sharp house. Henry gave me a phone number of [blank] but said his brother-in-law is currently on vacation and would not be home.
I asked Henry if he knew the Sharps or Wingate and he said he went to school with Wingate but he was older than Dana but knew him. He didn't know the Sharps.
I advised Henry that there were some obvious discrepancies in his story as compared to Chuck's story but did not tell him what they were. I further told him that I requested his presence at the S/O to further question him concerning the report. I told him it was important that the discrepancies be resolved now. He said that he had to put a tire on his car and could not make it tonight. I told him I could pick him up and bring him to the S/O and he stated that he had a lot to do tonight. He did agree, however, to meet me at the S/O tomorrow after work around 1400hr.
I attempted to contact Chuck for the same reason, but did not reach him.
I called the phone number Henry gave me for Tom S. but got no answer. Note: Tom S. lives at Cabin 14 Keddie and if he is the brother-in-law, the residence is very close to the Sharp home. In a previous report Tom told investigators that he saw a female doing dishes through the Sharp residence window.
7-1-81, approx. 1800hr, Henry came to the S/O and met with me. I asked him if he had discussed our conversation with Chuck since I talked to him on the phone and Henry told me he hadn't.
I requested that Henry confirm the following discrepancies.
1. I asked him if he saw anyone or any vehicle on highway 70 near the old gas station. He said he did not.
2. I asked him if he saw anyone or any vehicle such as Chuck described in Keddie when they drove in. He said they didn't.
3. I asked him when he did see the vehicle he thought suspicious and he said when they were on their way out of Keddie.
4. I asked him if they had stopped in Keddie and he said they did stop at his brother-in-law's house in the driveway.
5. I asked him what route they took while driving through Keddie. He said they drove toward Quincy on Highway 70, turned off on the Keddie turn off, drove in front of the restaurant and turned left at the end of the restaurant and pulled into Tom S.'s driveway. Backed up out of the driveway and exited Keddie the exact sam way they entered. He said they did not drive around the road in front of the Sharp residence at any time.
6. I asked him where he saw the vehicle. He said parked facing the street in the alley next to the Keddie Store where the garbage bins are, across from the restaurant.
7. I asked him what color the vehicle was and he said it was a light-colored pickup truck.
8. I asked him about any subjects he saw around the pickup and he said he only saw one subject but couldn't tell if it were female or male and could not give a description. He added, however, that Chuck saw two subjects.
9. I asked him to describe the vehicle and he said it was an old beat-up truck around 1965 model. No further description.
Note: the above questions were asked of Henry approx. three times and confirmed by him prior to his knowledge of what Chuck told me.
I told Henry what Chuck told me concerning the above information, which was:
1. The vehicle they saw was at the old abandoned gas station on Highway 70 and they didn't observe any suspicious vehicles in Keddie.
2. They saw the vehicle and subjects on the way into Keddie and the vehicle and subjects were gone on the way out.
3. They did not stop in Keddie but saw the lights out so just drove on by.
4. Chuck said they drove past the Sharp residence and around the block.
5. Chuck said the vehicle was a solid dark color.
I told Henry that Chuck told me that they had discussed the vehicle and the subjects and therefore they should both be talking of the same vehicle and incident. Above was after Henry told me that they hadn't talked about it.
I asked Henry for an explanation for the discrepancies and after several pauses and thought, he stated he could not explain the difference. He added that they had some to drink at a party in a community near Livermore and had gotten pretty drunk there but was not that drunk when they arrived at Keddie. Henry added that maybe he is mistaken.
I noted and advised Henry at that time that he does resemble the composite drawing of a possible suspect in this case and asked him if he had observed the drawings in the newspapers or anywhere else. He said he hadn't.
Due to the discrepancies, the fact that he and Chuck were in Keddie the night of the homicides and cannot prove their activities during that time (0300 or 0400 hrs), were at least close to the Sharp residence, and resemble the composite drawings, I advised Henry of the polygraph test and asked him if he had any objection to taking it to straighten out the inconsistencies. He took a very long pause and then stated he wanted to talk to Chuck to straighten it out. I advised him it would be best for the test if he did not discuss the information with Chuck prior to the test. I again asked him if he would take the test. After another long pause, Henry agreed to take the test.
It should be noted that Henry wears gold-framed glasses.
At this point, for the purposes (possible purposes) of the polygraph examiner, I asked Henry several direct questions. Prior to doing so, however, I advised him of his rights per the Miranda Warning. He stated he understood his rights and answered my questions.
1. Were you in Keddie on the night of 4-11-81 or morning of 4-12-81?
A. Yes.
2. Did you stop while in Keddie?
A. Yes.
3. Where did you stop?
A. At my brother-in-law's house in the driveway.
4. Have you ever been in the Sharp residence when they were home?
A. No. (but added that his brother used to live there and he has been in the house prior to the Sharps moving in)
5. Were you at a party anywhere on 4-11-81 or morning of 4-12-81 in the Keddie, Quincy, or Meadow Valley area?
A. No.
6. Did you meet with anyone the night the Sharps were killed in Keddie or did you talk with anyone in Keddie except Chuck?
A. No.
7. Did you see Johnny, Dana, Sue, or Tina the night of the homicides in Keddie?
A. No.
I explained to Henry the necessity for this type of questioning and he stated that he understood and wanted to cooperate.
I asked him if I could take his photograph to assist in this investigation and he said he would object to that. I asked him why and he said he didn't think there was a reason for that. I told him I would use it in a possible photo line-up to present to a witness in this case. And, I told him that it would assist in proving or disproving his statements. He reluctantly agreed at that time to allow his photo taken. After taking the photo, he again said he wanted to straighten this out and was willing to cooperate.
On conclusion with Henry, I attempted to contact Chuck again but was unable to find him home. Quincy patrol deputies will attempt to contact him and have him reach me at the S/O tomorrow.
I called DOJ agent Mike Crimm to contact the subject in Livermore that Chuck and Henry visited and he said he would contact them on 7-2-81.
I contacted Sam Lister of the DOJ polygraph division on 7-2-81 and arranged a test for Henry on Wednesday the 8th of July at 1300 hr.
7-2-81 0930 hr, I again attempted to contact Chuck for re-questioning but could not locate him at home. I contacted his father and asked him to get word to his son for me and he said he would.
7-2-81, I called Henry at approx. 1530hr and advised him that I had contacted the polygraph examiner and he would be here on Wednesday at 1300 hr for the test. Henry advised me that he did not appreciate being accused of murder and refused to take the test. He further said that if I had anything further to say to him that I could contact him at his house as he was not coming to the S/O anymore. I told him I would be right there.
I contacted Henry at his residence and Detective Forcino was with me. I noticed that Henry's mother was there so I asked her to accompany me outside and told her that I wanted to talk to her in private before I talked to Henry. I advised the mother of everything that I had learned and discussed with Henry and told her about the polygraph test as an investigative tool to use so I could determine if the boys were truthful or not. On conclusion of the conversation, the mother agreed that I was not harassing her son or accusing him of anything and that he should take the polygraph. We went back into the house and she explained what I had told her to Henry. She also told him he should take the test. He said he wanted to talk to Chuck and was hesitant about taking the test. I explained to him that I could not use the results of the polygraph test in court and after thinking about it for a while he agreed again to take the test.
Note: When I previously talked to Henry, he told me that he did not know any of the Sharps, but did know Dana.
While talking with Henry's mother outside, she told me that her daughter, Alice, was supposed to spend the night at the Sharp's house with the oldest Sharp girl the night of the homicide, but something happened and she couldn't make it. Alice was contacted earlier, according to the mother.
Henry's mother further stated that she was home Sunday morning when her son arrived home and it was around 0330 or 0400. She said she did not notice anything unusual about his appearance or manner. She was up when he arrived home.
On conclusion of these interviews, Forcino and I went to Chuck's residence on the old Keddie round house road as I have not been able to make contact with him via the phone or through his dad. On arrival we found Chuck working at a trailer home next to his residence. I told Chuck that there were some problems with the information he and Henry gave me and he said he understood that. I asked him if he had talked to Henry since I talked to him yesterday and he said he had. The only explanation he could offer for the discrepancies was that maybe he saw something that Henry didn't see. I again asked him if they had talked about the vehicle and subjects before I learned of it. He said they had and he didn't understand why Henry said that unless he didn't actually see what he thought or said he had seen. Chuck also confirmed information he had given me earlier about the location, vehicle, route through Keddie, etc., except he now states that the vehicle may have been light in color but looked dark in the nighttime. Also, he said that it was solid color not solid dark color as I stated. I, however, distinctly remember him saying it was a solid dark color on three occasions. Chuck also stated that he now thinks they did stop on the way through Keddie and it was for a few seconds in front of Henry's brother-in-law's house on the street. Those were the only two changes he made in the information.
I advised Chuck of the polygraph test and that Henry had just agreed to take it. I asked him if he would take it to clear this issue up and he said he would. He is scheduled for Wednesday, 8th of July at 11:30 am.
I asked him also if there was anyone in Keddie or elsewhere that could confirm his actions while in Keddie that morning except Henry and he said that maybe Mike M saw him. I sent Detective Forcino over to ask Mike if he had observed Henry or Chuck in Keddie that morning and Mike told Forcino that he hadn't, he didn't think.
I also asked Chuck for the address he was at in Livermore again he he [gave it]. I asked him if he was sure and he said he was. I told him that Crim had been there and no such person as he told me lived there. He thought for a minute and said that was across the street and that the correct address was [blank], not [blank], and he was mistaken.
Approx. 1700hr, I attempted to contact DOJ agent Crim but he was not in. 1800 hr, I contacted Lt. Johnson of the Livermore Police Department an explained my need for contact at the above address. He said he would find out if it is a valid address, who lives there, if they know Chuck or Henry, when they last saw them, and what time they left.
I asked Chuck if he knew any of the Sharps or Wingate and he said he only knew Wingate.
On my previous contact with Chuck, he told me that he was interested in playing detective and was at the Sharp house for several nights after the homicides, talking to the deputy guarding the house (I didn't ask him, he just volunteered the information). He also said that he walked the tracks looking for Tina.
When I talked to Henry the first time, I had him show me the route he took when he drove into Keddie the morning of 4-12-81. It's a rough sketch map on notepaper that I drew and he told me where he went and parked while in Keddie. During this conversation with Chuck, I asked him to do the same on a second map that I drew. He did so.
7-2-81, Dispatcher McCarthy called me at home and advised that Lt. Johnson called and said that they checked the Livermore address and found the subject Kathy G. lived there. Lt. Johnson talked to her and she told me that Chuck was at her residence for approx. 30 minutes on 4-11-81 and she spoke with him outside. They left her residence and went to her brother's place in San Ramon. He also advised that a DOJ agent had also been at the residence.
7-6-81, I contacted DOJ agent Leonard. Kathy G. told Leonard that it could have been Friday night the 10th that the two subjects, Chuck and Henry, were at her house instead of Saturday the 11th. They left around 2200 hr.
I feel that there is also possibly discrepancies in what she is saying took place at her residence and what Chuck and Henry said they did there. I will re-interview both on Wednesday the 8th to examine that further.
7-8-81, approx. 1000hr, Chuck came to the S/O for the polygraph test. On arrival, I had jailer Christensen photograph Chuck for ID purposes and take a set of his fingerprints. On conclusion with that, I questioned Chuck concerning his activities in Livermore while there. He said that he now thinks they left Saturday, 4-11-81, during the afternoon. When they arrived there, they went to Mark G.'s house where they drank some beer and visited with him. After that they went to Springtown to visit Chuck's current girlfriend, but she wasn't home. They drove around some and then went to Caren G.'s house and visited with her for a few minutes outside. They left there around 2300 hr and returned to Keddie. Chuck said that they returned to the Quincy area alone and that no one came back with them. [Josh's note: I think the writer of this report means "Kathy G," not "Caren G."]
At that time the polygraph examiner, Sam Lister, was ready and Chuck took the test. According to Lister, Chuck is telling the truth and was not involved in the homicides, nor does he know who did commit the crimes, based on what the test results are.
7-8-81, I drew five photos from ID files in the PCSO jail and mixed them with a photo of Henry T. I picked photos that are similar in appearance to Henry, including ID #s 9795, 2518, 9488, 9515, and 6066. I contacted Justin S. at the S/O and asked him to look at the photos and if he saw the man that he saw or dreamed about to let me know. He examined the photos for about five minutes and then stated that he could not identify the man from the photos. Justin said that the faces are not right on any of the photos.
In a previous interview with Henry's mother, and Alice, Henry's 13-year-old sister, Henry's mother mentioned that Alice was supposed to spend the night at the Sharp residence the night they were killed.
7-8-81, I contacted Alice to question her about the above information. Alice told me that Sheila stopped by her house on Lee Road, on Saturday, 4-11-81, while her (Sheila's) mother was visiting with the Meeks family. While there Sheila asked Alice to spend the night with her and they they would have a party and invite their mutual friend Kim M. and maybe some other people. Alice had to babysit that night so she couldn't spend the night with Sheila. Sheila spent a short time visiting at Alice's house that day and then left and Alice said she doesn't remember seeing her again after that.
I asked Alice how Sheila appeared that day and Alice said that there was nothing different other than that she kept looking out the window. Alice thought it was probably because she was waiting for her mother to pick her up. Alice said that Sheila had asked her to spend the night at the Sharp house on the day before (Friday) also, but Alice couldn't then either because her mother told her she couldn't.
Alice did not see Johnny or Dana Saturday but did see them the day before on Friday. She said they were walking on Main Street and she thought they were headed toward the Meeks residence.
I asked Alice how well-aquainted she was with the Sharps and she said she was good friends with Sheila and knew Johnny pretty well. She said that the families were not close, however, and her mother did not know the Sharps. She further stated that Henry, her brother, had met Sheila and Johnny, but was not good friends with them.
Alice could think of nothing the Sharps or Dana said or did that would indicate that someone was going to kill them.
I asked Alice about a man that approached her shortly after the homicides on a bicycle and asked her about the killings. She told me that shortly after the killings, a WMA with light color hair, was watching her and her friend Kim by the shopping center near the liquor store in East Quincy. He came up to them and asked them "Did you hear about the killings in Keddie?" She said yes and he said, "Have they got a suspect yet?" Alice said not that she knew of and he said, "Good." The WMA then rode off on a yellow 10-speed bike. They saw the same man later (in a day or two) and he started toward them again but Alice had an uneasy feeling about him, so they avoided him by running away.
10-16-81, approx. 1130 hr, I received a call from an adult male subject that refused to give his identity at this time.
The caller said he had information concerning the Keddie homicide. He then told me that a friend of his told him the day before yesterday (10-14-81) that he had been drinking with a railroad worker about a week ago and this railroad worker said that he was at the Keddie Murders when it happened. The caller went on to tell me what his friend told him.
That this railroad worker (who the S/O has given a polygraph examination concerning this case) was in Livermore and that another man named Larry or Jerry or Garry or related name gave the railroad worker a ride to Keddie from Livermore the night of the murders. The two went to Tom S.'s house in Keddie where there was a party going on involving the use of LSD. The railroad worker and the subject that gave him the ride then went to the Sharp house where they started playing a game with the victims and the subject that gave the railroad worker a ride tied up the victims. The caller said that the informant (drinking buddy of the railroad worker) had no further information except that the railroad worker said it only started out as a game.
The caller said he would identify himself as #974 at this time and would recontact me Tuesday, 10-20-81. I explained the need for his informant to come forward and contact me and "974" said he understood and would try to get him to come in.
"974" told me that his informant said that the railroad worker was very upset and nervous when telling him of the incident. Based on previous supplemental reports on Chuck W. and Henry T., I believe at this time that the railroad worker is Henry T. and the person that gave him a ride back from Livermore is Chuck W.
Request DOJ Agent Crim attempt to locate Kathy G.'s brother, Mark G., for further information on Chuck and Henry's activity and statements while in Livermore the night prior to the homicides. DOJ Crim and Bradley are familiar with above supplements and information concerning Mark G. who spent time with Chuck and Henry when they were in Livermore.
Further action pending recontact of "974."
2-19-82
After receiving several phone calls from "974" reference the information he was receiving from his informant, I arranged a meeting with 974, the informant, DOJ Bradley and myself at Lake Almanor on 2-19-82. Prior to the meeting, 974 met with the informant at the Westwood substation where he taped his own interview with the informant in the presence of a sergeant from Lassen Co. S/O. That tape reveals the same information that 974 said his informant told him. On 2-19-82, we met with the informant at Lake Almanor where I taped an interview with him. In the interview he told us that he used to live with Henry T. in a railroad trailer in Little Valley, CA, shortly after the homicides occurred in Keddie. During that time, Henry confided in him and at one time told him that he went to Livermore on the day before the murders to pick up a friend of his. They (Henry and the friend) returned to Keddie on the night of the homicides and stopped at the Tom S. residence. There was a party at that residence. Henry and his friend left the party and went to the Sharp residence next door. While there, Henry told the informant that his friend went berzerk and started tying up the victims. Henry told the informant that he became scared and left the house.
That was all Henry told informant. Informant felt Henry was telling the truth and felt from his appearance that he was telling informant information to get it off his chest. Informant said Henry appeared very nervous and afraid while he was telling informant the story. I asked informant why Henry would tell him something like that and he said partly because they had been drinking and partly because he needed to confide in someone with the information and he trusted informant because of his religious beliefs.
Informant said that Henry was driving a red Toyota pickup at the time.
On conclusion of the taping, the tape of the interview was given to DOJ Bradley by me to be reproduced into working copies. The originals (both 974's and ours) will be returned to me by Bradley on his next trip to Quincy. [Josh's note: during the filming of Part II, both cassette tapes were sent anonymously to me in the mail].
Informant, although reluctant at first, agreed to be wired and conduct another conference with Henry and if he can get Henry to say the same thing again, will take the information for us. Informant will contact when he has the information.
When I asked informant about Henry taking a polygraph, he informed me that Henry told him that he was requested to take one concerning the homicides but he beat it because prior to taking the test, he went to a hypnotist and was hypnotized to forget the incident. Informant doesn't know who or where.
DOJ Bradley has checked with Sam Lister of DOJ Polygraph section, who stated that above evasive tactic is not possible.
The only hypnotist in the phone book for this area is a Vicki C., in Reno, NV. I called her on 2-23-82 and advised her of the above information and asked her if she has seen anyone from the Keddie area that requested hypnotism of any form since April of 1981. She advised me she does remember a person from the Quincy area that worked for the railroad sometime last year requesting hypnotism. She will check her records and contact me.
2-23-82, approx. 1230 hr, I recontacted Vicki C. by phone and asked her if she came up with any more information on the subject she counciled last year from Quincy. She said he definitely worked for the railroad but she could not remember his name and she couldn't find anyone by the name of Henry T. in her files. She said he was in his late 20s, about 6'0 and thin. Also he had recently separated from his wife and had one or two kids and was hung up on losing them. She had about three or four appointments with him but he did not show up on the last one. That was all she could remember at this time.
I sent her a photograph of Henry for her to look at and let me know if he is the subject she talked with. I also asked her if it were possible to beat a polygraph test by undergoing hypnosis. She assured me it is.
3-5-82, I received a call from 974 in response to my request that he call me.
974 advised me that he is currently back to work with the railroad but has not seen Henry. He also said his back injury is still under investigation by the railroad and they are laying him off again sometime next week. He does not know when or if he will be able to go back to work for them again after that.
I suggested the possibility of using him as an agent to record information from Henry concerning this case by 974 does not think this is possible now because of the lack of possible contact with Henry and also because 974 has had second thoughts about being wired in that it may cause a safety factor for his family. 974 did assure me, however, that if the possibility came up he would notify me.
4-9-82, Agent Bradley and I went to Henry's residence on Lee Road, Quincy, and questioned him regarding the information we received from 974.
Henry said that he may have said what 974 told us because he (Henry) was getting tired of all the kidding and teasing about the Keddie homicide. He said they were calling him "keddie machete" and names like that. So, in retaliation out of anger and to tease back, he may have told 974 or other persons at work that he actually did kill the victims so as to get a response from them. I asked Henry if he didn't think that was a dumb thing to do and he agreed that it was.
Henry still insists that he knows nothing about the murders and took no part in them himself.
