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2017 - BOMBSHELL Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found May 16, 2023 1:44:14 GMT

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Post by Hope on May 16, 2023 1:44:14 GMT

The entire 2017 thread announcing Kathy & Cruzita's "bombshell" statements to Mike Gamberg re: the ride & the affair. To try and make sense of this mess.

I don't even want to post the appalling, defamatory & untrue statements contained within this thread, but leaving as is so everyone can read the information in it's full context.

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BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:10 pm

The speculation thread concerning why each were involved in the murders is found here.

I've been in touch with Mike, he sent a very detailed account of how he verified this info, and I now retract my retraction: The below account is accurate, and this person (one of Gamberg's sources) has, multiple times, verified knowing Loon and Marty and Sue, and that Sue was screwing Marty.

Fuck me for caring that, no matter their faults, Tina, Dana, Johnny, and Sue all died for the egos of their killers. They never deserved anything CLOSE to the closure of their lives, dispensed by true assholes.

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On the Motives for Murder thread, I explained several plausible motives, including Marty and Sue having a relationship. In another thread, I explained how Loon was a serial user of men who felt justified in fucking, and fucking over, whomever she wanted, yet if one of her men ever strayed before she did, it was a killing offense. Turns out I was exactly right.

Gamberg and I have been emailing each other furiously in the past few days, and he emailed me today about some more Karl Spang reports he'd recently read. Stuff we've never seen. Bullshit about Johnny and Dana scoring weed from him, then burning him on the deal, which was described as his reason to go out to Keddie. In the middle of the night. And park for a while by Marde's Hammer Pond?! PCSO researched part of his story, and in doing so, found that Sue was fucking Marty. A witness, a bartender no less, said Marty was Sue's boyfriend, and Marty gave this bartender the creeps because he was so protective of her, like the obsession I've so often heard described. Well, no point in reinventing the wheel, so I'll include an edited version of my reply to Mike: Well, first, part of his email for better context:

Something struck me about motive, just a thought . During the investigation Karl Spang a local doper was interviewed at length by Steve Wright, then a deputy. Spang said that he had fronted J&D money for dope and followed them to MV to a party and then back to Keddie. All bullshit babble re: a drug motive?? During the interviews Spang said that he'd been stiffed and went back to Greenville to the xxxxx Bar where he witnesses a fight and that xxxxx was the bartender and could verify the info.

5/10/81 xxxx was contacted by Wright, dispelling what Spang was telling the deputy.
xxxxx told the deputy in context, that he/she knew "Sue Sharp from college at FRC two semesters ago". He/she said that Sharp was going with a "Martin Smart, a Vietnam Vet". He/she said that Martin gave him/her "the creeps" because Marty was so "protective and possessive and jealous of [Sue]". Again nothing was done to follow up the information.

You had mentioned in the past that Marty was upset that Sue was banging the railroader in the trailer just above his cabin. Coupled with Marilyn being counseled by Sue to divorce Marty could go to motive. Just a thought?? Do Ya Think?

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Yeah, I've read the Spang files many times. I find his story to be as bullshit-filled as Walke/Thompson. I think the Dana he's usually talking about is Dana Green, that cunt Mona's doper son. Like Walke and T, he was in Keddie for a nefarious enough reason to make up an extremely large pile of BS about why he was there. And, just like W/T, he has to insert himself into the case. And, like T, he even infers he had the ways, means, and motive.

I'd never seen any of what you've mentioned in files I've accessed: drug debt, bar fight, Marty was banging Sue. I've always felt Loon set Sue up and, if Sue and Marty were dumb enough about it that even a bartender knew, then Loon had probably caught wind of it- which is how Marty was suddenly informed Sue had been 'counseling' Loon into leaving. But, to me, it's far more likely Marty made that shit up just as window dressing for the confession. Like his story of taking Tina from the house while 'incapacitated' is his light language for 'dead', and his line about "I only killed the girls" was somehow meant to suggest he was somehow less evil than whoever killed the boys. It was certainly less messy- and far less logical- to say that Sue was an extreme bitch messing with his marriage, the fact is Marty fucking Sue did mess up his marriage. So he shifted the language around to again make it appear Sue's murder was all her fault, and Marty had no hand in the motive. So, the short and curlies of motive is Marty was busted for banging Sue, which is why Loon said Sue had to go. This explains why Loon was so involved in a crime she instigated in order to get both Sue AND Marty out of the picture so she could openly fuck Wade.

As I posted way back, Loon's MO was to fuck a guy dry, use him and dump him, while a new victim was usually already in play or at least lined up. Her going to the Meeks house that Sunday was because Nina already knew Wade was banging her. It explains so many of their lies over the years- what I call the Tunabi: Loon's and Meeks' alterations of the original Loonibi in order to further deflect implications of their own involvement (and motives- Wade banging Loon prior to the murders, and Nina's clear fixation and anger at Sue over the adoption of HER GRANDDAUGHTER). As I also said in that post, Loon is a very vindictive sociopath and, while she sees herself as guiltless for banging Wade, both Sue and Marty "had to go" for shaming her. In other words, unlike her public persona of the guiltless woman subjected to years of abuse by almost all her men, in reality she could fuck anything she wanted, but it was unacceptable for her man to do the same.

Is xxxxx still afloat? When I spoke with one of Josh's producers (who quit after helping him steal documents, because Josh was veering away from the truth spelled out in the files), xxxx mentioned that it was fairly common knowledge that Marty was fixated on Sue. xxxxx was unsure if his desires had been consummated, but [bartender] makes it clear they had been. Not just that, but they were fairly stupid and in-the-open about it. This producer is also the source that Zonita had told them of overhearing a sexual encounter coming from 28 Saturday afternoon, the 11th. I'm pretty certain that if Z told Josh's crew, then her family is aware of that- and much more.

I think there's a fairly strong likelihood of Sue turning the odd trick is more than rumor. We already know the line about her being a teetotaler is bullshit- she was seen in bars with her BFs, including Dareyl and the dead lounge singer, and now even Marty. Plus the info on her having a cocktail waitress position at the Elks is just another way for her to line up clients. And, again, if Marty knew about this, then his supposed comments about Sue being a whore line up with his part-time bible-thumping fixation, as well as his need for justification in a quad.

Yeah, the story of Sue counseling Loon never lined up with reality, and certainly had a hollow ring to it. Sue was a shit mom who allowed her husband to abuse her and the kids, and was slowly meandering across America in the hopes James would take her back. She didn't give a damn about her kids, didn't want to be a mom, so she basically just didn't do it. And, no matter how Marty preferred to say it in his lightweight partial-confession, his pounding Sue certainly could be construed as Sue fucking with his marriage- exactly how the therapist described it. Fortunately, xxxxx's account was put on paper and survives. And, of course that avenue was closed off, as anything pointing to the killers, even motive, was shut down.

Bottom line- we now have a clear set of motives for both Marty's and Loon's direct participation in the set-up and executions. And Bo is still the odd-man-out. Why the fuck did he involve himself? Hell, they walked in with a full kill kit, so he knew this home invasion wasn't just about taking a fuck from Sue and maybe Sheila. See, I doubt the killers knew Tina and Sheila swapped at the last minute. Which is another reason this had nothing to do with Tina, other than they took her in order to throw off LE. And, of course, the first thing Sly speculated publicly was that Tina was the key, perhaps even a participant. As if Marty wrote the script for him. It's also certainly the line of bullshit they were feeding Quantico, which is why John Douglas' profile parrots exactly what Crimely and DT wanted FBI to believe.

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So now we can finally and fully shoot down the 'counseling' bullshit as Marty's and Loon's way of deflecting their true motives.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:54 pm

Talk about the skeleton in the closet. But jealousy sure is personal and in murder violent/ over kill. DAMN
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby justice17 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:28 pm

Wow...

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby sparkplug » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:38 pm

So only a bartender said this, and no one else?
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:00 pm

As I said in my email reply, it was fairly widely known Marty had a thing for Sue, but this source knew it was reciprocated. This is just the first known instance of someone confirming they were an item- not only that, but repeating what's always been described as Marty's obsession with Sue.

The fact Mike points out they went so far as to shoot down Spang's bullshit, but did absolutely no followup with the contention that not only was Marty fucking Sue, but were brazenly open about it and Marty was clearly and dangerously obsessed, goes a good goddamned long way to certifying it as absolute fact. Again, whenever Marty, Bo, or Loon- or Dee or Tony or Mike & Martell, etc- did or said or were IDd as incriminated, LE just turned off the angles and made it go away. They were not about to allow a line of inquiry in pursuit of who they openly knew were the killers.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Ausgirl » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:03 pm

i think it'd be good to re-interview that bartender, and just make sure it was Sue he was talking about.

But if true.. and given Marty's pathetic begging for Loon to take him back.. maybe Loon found out, or suspected, or Sue threatened to tell, thereby upsetting the applecart of M's main obsession, his wife.

Gives another layer of meaning to his note 'four lives for you'.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:17 pm

Yeah, I asked if he/she was still around ("still floating"), but I have no doubt he/she knows it was Sue and Marty. Sue was in the news, known, and identified because she'd attended college with the source. And it's not like Sue could ever be mistaken for Loon in appearance or physical similarity. I think it's a stand-alone out-of-the-park home run.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Ausgirl » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:36 pm

Greenville..keeps coming up.

Stephen, cousin to the Meekses.. his indian pals, a fight and Johnny's week old black eye.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:41 pm

This particular bar pops up a few times. And however thin the shield is, going to a bar in GVille is less obvious than M taking Sue to Q or, god forbid, the Back Door. And notice how Marty said, had they had a car, they would have skipped the hellhole Back Door in favor of a Q bar. Not a Gville bar.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby justice17 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:06 pm

NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House
by justice17 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:56 pm

LOON: Forever the LIAR :oops:

Hi Marilyn,
Do you think Marde had "a thing" for Sue?
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by Marilyn Musgrove » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:52 pm
To my knowledge Marde didn't even know Sue…

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby bullshit-buster » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:13 pm

she wont acknowledge the marty sue 'friendship". its kinda the elephant in the room.....
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dd1 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:50 am

Okay, so Loon knows Marty is banging Sue, tells Marty to prove he loves her (Loon) he
should kill Sue. The kids were collateral damage. This being the 4 lives & the love Marty
was speaking of in the letter.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby azucena » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:35 am

Oftentimes , the most obvious and most simple can be elusive. So it would appear the tangled web of dysfunctional, manipulative male/female relationships lies at the heart of the death of four people and ruined lives for the survivors.

"Marty had a thing for Sue", has been around for years and years, which, I for one largely dismissed as too convienient, pat and unverified. The person at the core, Marilyn, would seem to have played tit for tat by having relations with Wade, then turned the tables on Sue. Sue, destroying her marriage, blah blah. Jealousy rears it's head, Sue's relation with Darell (sp?) Disloyal to all. Where Bo fits in, I too wonder, except sociopaths the whole lot, he likely did not care about participating, just another day.

So what is ultimately a gross reason for multiple murders, including adolescents and a young girl, leads to the the question of why no swift resolution, the case should have been pretty easy to solve, and certainly should not have taken 30+ years. Which leads right to what d has been saying for YEARS : the big part of the crime is cover up.

Why?

This is perhaps where Bo figures most prominently: Why protect Marty, Marilyn and others, pretty expendable in my mind. Bo may have been the reason no one worried about being caught, exposed. Bo maybe was not so expendable.

More secrets . Corruption.

Gam was TOLD NOT to investigate this case.
As if all of this is not ugly enough, the underbelly of LE is even more sickening

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Salem » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:08 am

Is it enough to bring Loon in? I so want to see someone in front of the Judge.

Is there the hard evidence to put Loon in the room and make her explain herself? What else is needed? Does LE need to promise Justin safety from his mother? Some kind of immunity to make him talk? A public defender to help him through coming clean? What?

What can be done now, to help bring this to resolution?
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:11 am

I just spent an hour typing out a response only to have it disappear. I am recovering from surgery and am having a hard time because it was ortho wrist surgery. But I'm going to try again. Dmac can you email me a guide for dummies on how to save and bring back up posts as I write them? Hmm hmm pain killers........
So I am reminded of a case involving3 teens, a love triangle and high school track. A boy meets a girl at a track meet ( both are athletes from diff schools) they befriend and his relationship sours with the girlfriend. They split up and the other 2 have a go. Well that was short lived so he is back together with the girlfriend. He tells all((shhhh)) and she insists the only way they can be together is to undo the affair. Turns out one must murder the other girl to do this. So they did. I have found that this is more common than one case. It isn't a syndrome. It is vindictive bitch mode of the scorned woman. Needless to say the revelation has stirred up quite a few old theories from the corners of my mind.I'm dusting them off for review.....
Let me say once more( no promises) that this sets off the "she deserved it" theme again for me. That theme enabled the crime and is justification for those who know from feeling guilty enough to spill. Loon being a narcissistic sociopath could easily manipulate a young boy to protect their lifestyle/ existence. She was capable of the multi layered and degrading gag. Nothing is so vicious as a female's revenge. Oh the plots we come up with to destroy a rival! Fortunately98% of us only think about the ways to ruin our enemies but this narc actually acted on it.....

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:25 pm

The easiest way not to lose a post, particularly a lengthy one that takes effort, is to write it up as a text file, then copy/paste it onto the forum. Even easier is an add-on called Lazurus, which auto-saves forms, emails, etc., as you type them. If you lose a forum message, go back and right-click inside the form box, and choose which message you want to paste in.

The scenario we're now seeing as having played out in Keddie is as old as dirt. It's also what I long suspected, which is why I balked at fully endorsing the nonsensical 'counseling' storyline. Only recently (1950s and on) have we seen kids, younger and younger, doing these same triangle crimes. And that has more to do with all the hormones in our foods (meats primarily) and very unhealthy portrayals of violence 24/7/365 in our media. Shit, kids are sexually developing years earlier than normal, and it doesn't take a scientist to recognize why!

But, certainly, I've always felt this case was about killers with a sense of entitlement. It wasn't just their right, but their duty. At the very latest, this rolls into motion the afternoon of April 11. We know Tina was out playing around, as were Sheila and Greg. Rick was with Justin and Casey. Dareyl was in Paradise for the weekend. So who was having sex in 28 that afternoon?

I've always believed LE lied when stating it was unsure which Saturday Marty was overheard saying someone would die if things didn't get fixed. I've always seen the night out at the bar, as well as the murders, as Marty's fake birthday party- April 11 being the day he claimed was his birthday in order to join the military early. His real birthday was May 11. But, yes, this is all about the killers being more important than anyone, and the victims being worthless.

Unfortunately, Crimely and Sly's Killer Kops agreed.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:29 pm

Sorry, I missed so many posts when reacting to Budrefligh.

AZUCENA: you're so EXTREMELY spot on, but Bo's scenario is just under the skin. Occams Razor is the answer for Marty's and Loon's motive fr closing that triangle. Even if it meant a quad.

Nobody's seen much of my Bo background work on what a time-shifting piece of jail.military fraud he is, only because it's been online for nearly a fucking decade. I have worse on this pig, but I still want all of you to consider Occam's Razor as the rationale behind Bo walking into 28 with Loon and Bo as kill-kit organizing orchestrators.

You tell me what Bo thought he was in for when walking into main-level house 28 through the unlocked front door with a kill kit. Ignore all you think you know, particularly protection from LE- D FUCKING O FUCKING J!

Ignore all you think, make the simplest connection between Bo lying about killing four in 28, and his being so in control of the systematically moronic staging.

NEVER make Bo out as smarter. He had to be the dumbest in the bunch to be taken by Loon.

Walk way the fuck back and Bo's involvement makes more sense.

I'm not talking just to you on that one point, Azu, but I was primarily speaking to your Q.

I have a lotta I won't talk about, just so all you know. This goes to Salem, your Qs deal with prosecution.

As do mine.

I won't say one damned thing I think could unfuck a perp.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby chrisAAA » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:44 pm

This is really something to think about. With this revelation -- that was maybe not exactly new-- it makes me wonder: could Bo have talked up some having some kind of "untouchable" status to Marty and Sue? Could that have been part of the logic the killers used to justify what they did, thinking that Bo could keep them from prosecution because of some kind of special status? I could just imagine that the extremity of this crime could have somehow had something to do with Bo acting out of an impunity he believed he could extend to Marty and Sue. The recent full transcript of his only LE interview feels perfunctory, like a formality with no intention of producing any kind of meaningful information about the murders.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:14 am

One last point-

I don't go after anyone in the case, unless they are motherfucking scum. I go after Loon, Justin, Dee, Tony, etc, but I've contacted only a couple folks with peripheral involvement- for instance, just for being near witnesses of witnesses discussing what they thought they saw.

i've gone after Sue and other victims- if we throw softballs at the victims, we'll never find the perps. Ask Sheila if Sue had boyfriends? "NO". But Sue was fucking DAREYL at his trailer, leaving her kids alone at 28 overnight, in the NIGHTS prior to the murders. And it was SUE fucking the dead lounge singer. And Baze and others. OHHHHHH, and Sheila had NO CLUE Sue was FUCKING MARDE, the bitch behind all four murders?

I have no qualms about calling Sue out as Marty's lover? No, I had no qualms calling Sue out as a shit mom. I had no issues stating Sue and Marty were probably linked. That Marty's fixation on Sue wasn't acknowledged?

Fuck YOU SHEILA, you've lied from DAY FUCK !, meaning many of the past thirty years are on your broken back.

Sheila cannot ignore knowing much of the shit that is the Family Closet, yet she did.

Sorry, Sheila, explain why you want to know what we've learned since you quit this forum after we outed you as the liar you are defined as? And why do you keep logging on?

IF we ignore the lives and movements of the victims, we'll never find the killers. Sue needs to be concidered EXACTLY as Marty, Bo, etc, were. LE never saw Loon as a worthless mom because they NEVER LOOKED AT SHIT THEY WROTE A YEAR PRIOR. Sue let Tina go right back to FUCK A KID GOLF PARK.

Sheila lies about everything. Do you want family lies that Sue was a brilliant mom who took in stray kittens, or the worthless shit all of the rest of Plumas saw?

Sorry, Sheila, your mom was worthless. You didn't know any better. She didn't deserve ANY of what happened. Nobody did. So stop lying.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:56 am

Thanks for the tips Dmac! I'm going to try Lazarus and since it will work in other places. Very much appreciated!!

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby meankitty » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:07 pm

Dmac, how accurate is the bartender's statement? Did she ID the right woman?

I do know there is a rumor mill here that sure messed up the facts of the case and buried it in rumors.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:23 pm

how the FUCK ACCURATE do u see a bartender who went to FRC with Sue? Are you out of your fucking mind?

When did Loon come into her memory or remarks?

zrO?

yUP.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:24 pm

Ok I trust your Intel I think it would be understandable to ask for facts. Was this witness vetted through Gam as I understand? The other instances of people relating Marty's obsession with Sue are there. This new barkeep I've just learned of. When did said individual report this? Was it buried in hodgepodge?
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Magnum PI » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:41 pm

Well, I can see I have been away far to long Dmac! I'm going to have to spend some time catching up. Interesting development to say the least. I happened to meet one of Tinas best friends recently and had a discussion with her. I'll try my best to catch up and not ask to many questions.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby JEP » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:44 pm

I have to say that this revelation does not surprise me, if it can be verified. I think your point about deep diving the victims can lead you to the killers is correct. I do understand why Sheila feels she needs to defend her mom. I realize they had hard times. And it doesn't help to have your family's secrets spilled out all over the place. I feel for the surviving Sharp children, adults now. If you watch interviews of victim's families, even if the victim has a rap sheet a mile long, the family says "they were good, and kind......" all nonsense, but you get the picture.

Despite all that, I believe that the Sharps know what happened to their family members. Their reluctance to be truthful is a bit disturbing and baffling. They have chosen silence, for whatever reason. What they're hiding or who they're protecting is anyone's guess.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Myrion » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:31 am

Over the years I wondered about the relationship between Marde and Sue. I remember a couple years back when there was speculation that Marde was fucking Tina, which for some reason I thought was doubtful. Sheila maybe, but I doubted any real social interaction between Marde and Tina. Well, until the murders.

The thought that these murders were triggered by this motive, well, it kind of fits.

Not that it should have ever happened obviously, but a senseless motive like this...Marde "proving his love" for Loon by killing the woman he might have been fucking around with...while she's with yet another "player" in the area. It's tragic, but seems to happen often.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:32 pm

One must also reconsider Tony Garedakis. First, Mike and Martel's reverse alibi says that Garedakis' doppelganger was Sue's violent boyfriend. This, of course, was meant to steer LE away from the idea Sue was 'dating' Tony Garedakis. Then, there's Tony telling us he was with Sue and all the kids just that Saturday, April 11, collecting and delivering firewood for cabin 28, one of few cabins that had no wood stove and, therefore, no need for wood. And, of course, crime scene photos show NO WOOD anywhere in or outside of 28.

We should now consider Tony as DIRECTLY INVOLVED.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Dogfur » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:50 pm

Thanks-36 year old statements might have a bit of dust on them. I’m of the mind that Sue gettin’ some action is the key to solving & proving enough of this case to call it. I won’t go into Sue being pro w/you yet, there would be people who would fess up to buying her services, if only to clear themselves quickly...That doesn’t add up, but Sue getting her groove on & somebody getting agitated or jealous? Oh yeah, that shit happens!

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Postby dmac » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:35 pm

OK, I've reread all the data, and can confirm this bartender knows Sue and Marty were an item. in 11/80, Loon and Sue and Mike's wife all had the same typing class together. Sue had two typing classes, and Marty and the bartender were all in the other.

Confirmed: Marty and Sue were having an affair. And a major mindblower about to follow, on a new thread.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:32 pm

Martel?

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Postby dmac » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:38 pm

No, Mike Gamberg's wife. Mike verified the info from the bartender against school records, which is how he found his wife was also in Sue's class. Sue took two typing classes, not in the same semester.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:03 pm

OH!!!! That is credible indeed!!

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Postby Ausgirl » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:26 pm

... his wife! Good grief, D.

This case has been a bit like a rotten onion, layer after layer of sloppy bullshit getting peeled away, one onion-skin thin ring at a time... this is closer to the central truth of things than it's ever come before.

Mind blowing doesn't cover it.

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Postby dmac » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:27 am

Gam and I spoke for over an hour.

I thanked him for putting all the dots in lines, and he said,"wow, it's not what you think!"

"Back when I found the tape, I found a folder in the same box. Filled with photocopied reports I'd never seen before."

Anyone familiar with the tiny guy pointing out blood issues to Sly in CS photos? Guess who. The same guy that did the floor layouts. The same guy whose original reports DISAPPEARED, yet Mike Gamberg finds this folder of PHOTOCOPIED reports by the same guy.

Get this, I'm trying to shut the fuck up, and failing badly. All I wanna hear is Gamman telling what happened. Oh, I failed poorly.

"You mean this limp dick?" "Yeah him"

Mike went thru those papers and found shit directly contradicted by other files.
It led to Gamberg saying, "shit, dmac said Sue was fucking Marty" and that's what these lost files repeat.

Why would anyone steal original files and leave photocopies? because they could lie about stealing them, then state the photocopies are frauds.

Mike and I agree this case is long from over, and the coverup is just too obvious not to investigate OFFICIALLY.

I'm telling you, this is TWO DISTINCT CASES.

FWIW, we talked at length about how he looked at photocopied documents, linked it with contradictory reports by known liars, and took a slice from my pie about what the lies are about. He found the Kathy Beckley shit I've been calling BULLSHIT for years. He found Kathy was fucking Dana and that FWB led to hiding who gave them a ride home AND other monster bullshit.

Can I stop now? I'm fucking tired.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby meankitty » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:11 pm

dmac wrote:
how the FUCK ACCURATE do u see a bartender who went to FRC with Sue? Are you out of your fucking mind?

When did Loon come into her memory or remarks?

zrO?

yUP.

I've seen so many lies, half-baked rumors and bullshit theories in this case over the years, as well as shifting memories, that I would like to make sure everything is as accurate as possible, and EVERY single piece of information is taken into account instead of being ignored because it didn't fit a pet theory.

Also, did Zonita tell just what time she was supposed to have hear the sex noises on the 11th and where she was standing in relation to cabin 28?
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Postby dmac » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:30 am

Yeah, you're so right. There is absolutely nothing in my description of how this went down to have one iota of respect for the accounts given and independently confirmed. And absolutely no logic whatsoever to the account. So do me a favor and consider all of this to be complete bullshit, drop it, and walk the fuck away.

As for Zonita, she said it was from 2:17 pm to exactly 2:38 PM. When she first heard it, she was standing out back, 6.78 feet SSW of the gas tank. For 7 minutes and 22 seconds, she sat on the tank and listened. Then she got the ladder from the back building and climbed up to look through the window.

Dear shit, you ask the stupidest fucking Qs. If I had any further details, why the FUCK would I omit them?

Please go away.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby bullshit-buster » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:37 pm

so finding the murders of 4 peps in cabin 28 is directly attributed to the oldest reason in time. jealousy.
i want to know what was really going down with marty and loon in the days and weeks leading up to the murders.
were they fighting? physical verbal? to come to a decision that someone had to die stems from pretty nasty beginnings.
the night of question the alibi scenario is so peculiar.
the 3 of them are desperate to portray that it was a fun night ahead. dressed up in their finery....invited sue to come along (loon lie) being seen out at the pub. happy as larry. even causing a commotion about bullshit music dramas. just to make sure everybody there knew they were there. not somewhere else......
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Postby budrfligh » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:27 pm

I agree that their behavior, movements,fights etc would be nice To review.
I think that Marty's therepist sugests fighting in the marriage. I believe personally Marty knew Bo b4 the b.s. VA story and he was his ticket to a new destination. Unfortunately he was mistaken about Loon being on board that bus. I think he intended to pull scams in Oregon b4 he planned the murders. The thing I was hit with was the Meeks/Smart friendship possibly having started long b4 Kerrie. Perhaps leading to that cook job with free rent.....

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Postby dmac » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:46 pm

This was at least a love triangle, or fuck triangle. Cheating is rarely love, more temporary infatuation. "Oldest Reason in Time"? No, this is a premed by multiple perps against one target and they simply didn't give one fuck about collateral damage, other than Justin?

The perps and Vx involved prove 28 is unlike every other 'love triangle'. Multiple killers, one target yet 3 others dead? 3 more left alive, including the son of killers?! Jeez, this ain't one love triangle I've ever heard of.

Days and weeks of Marty and Loon prior to 4/11 line up with LE timelines: volatile shit, Marde's animosity towards Loon's kids and Loon. Multiple ugly events, basically kicked out of "Aunt's" house in favor of the aunt co-signing the loan for the red Pinto hatchback. Aunt wanted all of them gone. And she got fucked because they stopped making payments on the red Pinto wagon found on blocks in front of 26 on 4/12.

Marty got a job at the Keddie Hotel diner, one floor up from the Back Door Bar. #26 was partial payment for his cook duties. This was around 8/80. That's when he and Loon and her kids moved from Burney to Keddie.

Sue and kids moved to 28 3 months later, although Marty and Loon and Meeks knew Sue and family well beforehand. Via interpersonal friendships, including Richard Meeks already fucking Sheila.

Sheriff Thomas told us he was great friends with Marty, used to drive around 'on patrol' with Thomas and Shanks up front and Marty in the back.

Thomas lived in 28 just before the Sharps. Thomas was fucking Jan Albin, and anyone else with semi-vacant holes.

Marty did a voluntary-psych at the Reno VA in mid-March 81, indicating he was out of work and available to leave Keddie: Jan had already fired him. As per Dee Lake, he checked into the psyche ward for the sole reason of getting PTSD money. PTSD was brand-new at the VA, and Dee told him how to get it. He fucking failed:

"You were in one of the safest places in South VietNam, right?" "Yeah". "Did you even hear bombs drop nearby?" "No". "So how can you claim PTSD?" Marty laughed and went onto the next topic, Marilyn.

BS-BUSTER, read up because I just wasted ten minutes explaining for you the very fucking obvious. Don't waste my time again. This site is filled with info, and if a perfunctory search doesn't find your answer, you've still wasted all my time you ever shall. Resign.

Budrfligh - My dad was a lifelong philanderer, and many times he said he would leave my mom for 'her'. Far more times than I know. We'd get the hang-up calls, often leading to a showdown in the living room. The whore would knock on the door, mom would invite her in, and we'd be told to go to our rooms. Insane shit, mom using us as terrorized props in a useless marriage of psychos.

Plenty of times one woman went in and killed the estranged wife, or the hubby set it up. No, this case is exponentially more bizarre and unfamiliar.

It was a substantiated pattern I see as an adult yet never recognized as a kid. Their repetitive, drunken, moronic 3AM fights and dad's whoring just scared the fuck out of me. And my example isn't a "love triangle" by cliche or definition.

What happened in Keddie is far more complicated and intense. The Marty-Loon thing is big. The Marty-Sue thing is huge. The Loon-fucking-anything is much bigger, leading to Marty threatening Loon's lovers (including Wade while both locked up).

The LOON RECOGNIZING MARTY WAS FUCKING SUE was 98.9% of why those two cunts went into 28.

I have little doubt Sue was getting cash for a bit of ash, which complicates everything. Sue spent her nights just before the murders screwing yet another piece of shit, Dareyl. Upon her death, he was worried his gun was missing from his trailer, not that his "illfriend" was dead. I suppose he thought nothing of her, after $15 and a couple cigarettes and a pack of B&H.

It was trailer guys that set Dareyl up with Sue. LE knew disparate stories of how Dareyl was bedding Sue into the early mornings prior to 4/11, and didn't all those stories come from RR guys?

When asked "Where's Sue?" at a bar, Dareyl said, "Haven't you read the papers? She was murdered" That sounds less like a boyfriend talking of Sue than a john talking about a prostitute. It also explains why so many had so many low-key stories as to how they participated in hooking Sue up with Dareyl.

It sickens me.

My bet is Sue was fucking for cash, hence Marty being so peculiar about his obsession.

There is no logical reason for Tony Gardenias to falsely deny a relationship with Sue unless he

So much shit needs re-evaluation with new perspectives based on recent revelations.

Not only did Marty and Bo plan to pull scams, I have the info showing they "joined the circus'', as Marty said to his therapist, and used many old carny scams to skim money from fake ticket sales to actually travel with a working machine from NW US right into the Dallas area when Bo's family says Bo and Marty showed up, uninvited.

There's a shitload of layers and lies about this case. Recognizing the conceits, defeats, lies and liars? Hell, the killers tell you they did it.

Living killers who openly state they did it, due to their stupidity?

MARILYN! FULLY INVOLVES IN THE MURDERS> INSTIGATOR OF 4 MURDERS!
Justin
DEE
TONY
MIKE
MARTEL

And a couple names I'm currently hiding.

Not counting LE scum who need to be prosecuted and decapitated:

Thomas
Stoy
Shanks
Decrona
Crim
Bradley

And many others...

FUCK JUSTIN, I'll get him prosecuted.
FUCK MURDERING MARILYN, she's already dead in my sites. CUNT.

Loon would have been better off killing Justin. He talks too much, even if you don't count the other talking fucks directly involved in need of a noose. Such as Justin's mom, Loon.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby justice17 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:44 pm

A Sue & Marde affair was briefly mentioned in this anonymous report:

A report to a high school counselor: Marty is the Killer
Postby jhancock » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:25 pm

In this letter to a counselor at Quincy High School, an anonymous student identifies the confessor as the perpetrator of the Keddie Murders. The letter does not have a date on it. It is handwritten on notebook paper, and only the names have been abbreviated:

Dear Miss R.,

I was told who did it (murders in Keddie). And said he was having family problems, and the creditors where [sic] after him. They also said they hipmintized [sic] this boy and he say everything. He said it was [POI]. They said he was having affair with Mrs. Sharp. Mr. [POI] likes to see people being killed and also like to kill dogs and cats.

by Anonymity

PS. They said that he is in Oregon.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:04 am

I remember that letter well, but forgot the bit about cash-flow problems. How long ago did I first say rent was part of the pay for the job he'd been fired from, and that eviction was looming? I remember also Loon telling PCSO they could search 26, that rent was paid through the month.

Nonetheless, a brilliant catch, both timely and worthy of your bumping it.

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Postby budrfligh » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:13 pm

First I've seen this and again I wonder what else I've missed or rushed past. There is so much info everywhere that seems non consequential until it falls together. It is not as simple as reading from a~z but you must back track constantly and put it together yourself. I was thinking how would I write a synopsis of the case and immediately am overwhelmed.

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Postby dmac » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:22 pm

I think the complexity of the case, and the fact there's several duplicate pieces (the truth, copies consisting of half-truths, and several more duplicates made of pure lies) to the puzzle is the driving factor that kept so many interested. It's also why so many sloughed off when they realized it was primarily Bo and Marty, not realizing it was mainly Loon with an assist by Justin.

Those who weren't around to find out DT was 28's tenant directly prior to the Sharps, Marty was screwing Sue, Sue was probably hooking in some manner, etc etc, would have been incredibly shocked. That Sheila and others HAD TO KNOW THIS all the goddamned time while begging for our help? Who's the bigger asshole now? Me, for hating liars and idiots, or those- including the vx- who knew and still lie as if the truth hasn't been uncovered?

Were people to be presented the nuts and bolts of the case, it's just another sick and moronic love quadrangle murder case. The fact so many others were involved in the murders and aftermath in a very complex- and incredibly asinine- coverup makes it much more interesting. The fact the LE coverup by corrupt members of at least PCSO and CA-DOJ is so blatant and stupid puts it on another level altogether. The fact the killers, corrupt LE, and the Vx (and many others in-the-know) have lied or kept quiet for 36+ years is the biggest reason this case was ever so interesting. That's why, were anyone to write a book, it would have to be kinda how I see my unwritten book's narrative: how I became involved, how the case was presented by the liars that know (Meeks, Loon, Justin, Sheila, Richard, etc.), how I and others uncovered big chunks, how much shit we've looked at a thousand times before realizing that one tectonic shift in the case shakes shit out of puzzle, allowing many things thought for years to be insignificant to fall into place.

Then there's the THOUSANDS of suspicious coincidences, many of which cannot just be happenstance. Bo's bg alone is a lengthy series of bizarre shit that storms from Chicago through the midwest to Vegas and Reno to Keddie and all the way back to Chicago, so it's difficult for an outsider to understand his place in the story. He's worth a quarter of the book, even if he was just a third wheel responsible for calling the shots about witnesses and how to fuck the evidence.

The most difficult part is to write an account that keeps the core victims at the center, and stays empathetic to them. No matter how you cut it, Sue deserved none of this.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby justice17 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:22 pm

But, certainly, I've always felt this case was about killers with a sense of entitlement. It wasn't just their right, but their duty. At the very latest, this rolls into motion the afternoon of April 11. We know Tina was out playing around, as were Sheila and Greg. Rick was with Justin and Casey. Dareyl was in Paradise for the weekend. So who was having sex in 28 that afternoon?

I don't know, but who admitted to being with Sue that Saturday afternoon...."cutting non-existent firewood? :roll:

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Dogfur » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:36 am

So if we have a Sue/Marde/Loon triangle & add Tony, Dareyl, & Sly (I'm not ready to leave him out of the 'swangin' in Keddie' thing yet, and it smells way bad right now) does that make a Plumas hexagon?

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:39 am

When considering the "Bo Wanted Sue" aspect of the alibis, it also makes far more sense with Marty shagging Sue regularly.

So many aspects of the Loonibi were devised to hide or confuse truths: Marty was fucking Sue, Loon found out, so Sue had to die to protect Loon's batting average of being the one who fucked her men over before they strayed from her spread-leg black hole sun.

Marty was fucking Sue, so how would MMB lie to hide that?

a> Sue was looked at as a strong woman in her community who left her abusive husband. Loon respected that, and was being advised by Sue directly to leave abusive Marty.

b> Sue and Loon were friends, not enemies. They often shared tea.

c> Loon didn't know Sue's kids well, other than Tina, who came over often. Loon even helped her with the class assignment that involved the missing shoebox: a diarama.

d> Marty had no interest in Sue. In fact, he wanted to set Bo (and Dee and Wade and Tony and...) up with Sue... because Marty had NO SEXUAL OR EMOTIONAL INTEREST IN SUE.
e> all of the above- and far more.

When Loon and Nina revised the Lunabi into Tunabi, what still fits?

a> Marty called Sue a whore and Tina a whore.

b> If it bleeds it breeds.

c> Marty was incredibly pissed Sue didn't be Bo's date, and it got worse as the night progressed.

d> No, it was Bo who was incredibly pissed Sue wasn't Bo's date, and it got worse as the night progressed.

e> all of the above, and far more.

Oddly, what lines up pretty well is Nina's account of Marty's Fucky Mountain Breakdown in jail, and his tirade against Wade: "We got her, we'll get you too!"

In the first place, it's so damned funny Nina remembers that secondhand info as accurately as the police report, yet says she last waved goodbye to her best friend at 6 pm (she remembers because she looked at the clock) on May 12 1981- when month-dead Sue and her murdered family left the birthday party for her son, Walter. Yet, she never spoke to Loon by phone on Sat, April 11? Never notified Sue when Johnny and Dana should be home, despite Rick remembering the phone call so well***? Did Nina tell Sue that they'd be home late, don't wait up, leave the door open? Sure, Sue left the door open all the time, as did most Keddie-ites, but Nina is so unfamiliar with her 'best friend', Sue, perhaps the set-up needed confirmation she'd leave the doors unlocked.

In the second, Marty is telling Wade and EVERYONE ELSE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE the murder of Sue was at his hands, and IT WAS ABOUT DRUGS. Not only that, Marty was fucking Sue and Loon was fucking Wade. Between the time of the murders and the jail exchange... or, perhaps, prior to the murders... Marty twigged his young bestie was fucking his wife.

As were others, according to his phone rant from Klammath to a friend, who I believe is Mr A. Marty threatened to come back to Keddie and finish what he started, by killing all of Loon's lovers.

Marty had killed Sue and family as a vow to restore his marriage to Loon. Loon dumped him within hours of his carrying out Loon's decree that Sue must pay. Marty confessed to her that he'd just paid for Loon's love with four lives (he had FIVE KIDS, not four, so the implication is explicit), and was so pissed that she dumped him that the very day he wrote and mailed that letterfrom the Arcade Hotel, he called Mr A that night and threatened to come back and kill Loon's fuckers. Plural. FuckerS.

For years I've said the whole thing was about Sue, the sole target was Sue. Marty clearly had a thing for Sue. Then I heard from one of Josh's producers- who dumped his lame, felonious ass- that she'd been told by multiple sources it was an open secret Marty had a boner to pick with Sue. Then it recently comes from a vetted source that Sue and Marty were a couple- despite the source's knowledge Marty was married to Loon- and that Marty was so protective and jealous of his conquest (Sue) that it creeped out many people. And that is a slap in the face to people who've followed this case for years? Really? Fucking, REALLY? Try working the case, rather than being the deuce-douchebag who plays lamefuck Monday Morning Backseat Driver QB to a tosser armchair detective like me.

Despite all of this shit being laid out on this forum for donkeys ears, and the fact the Marty/Sue affair makes the murders- and so many of the inbred lies- so fucking simple (well, probably BECAUSE it makes everything simple, a bit of a let-down for Unsolved Enthusiasts), many decry the affair as a bullshit lie.

Who the fuck is the bullshitter and liar, if one is too simple to see the simplest answer IS the truth? Occams Razor, assholes.

When one strips away the bullshit about Bo being after Sue, about the music change, about Loon knocking on Sue's door, about Loon being home and asleep/awake when Bo and Marty returned to 26 @ 2am, what's left is the truth, and the subtext in the L/Tunabis support that Marty was fucking Sue, Loon found out, Loon ordered Sue's put-down, Marty Bo AND LOON (AND JUSTIN) did the killings, and then lied in their joint alibi to make it seem Marty had no interest in Sue, that Marty even proffered Sue to Bo, and that Dana- no Tina's dad- did the killings because the target was TINA, not Sue.

That's not new math, not quick math. It's just plain old motherfucking math.

PS: Dogfur, it's pretty solid that Sly fucked anything that moved. He'd fuck a box of donut holes if he thought they were holes. It's also pretty firm that Sly was fucking Jan Albin. Try this: records indicate it was Jan Albin who ran Keddie. It was Jan who provided PCSO with info on residents, info about kicking out 13 & 15 for drugs, and holding back about Sheriff Sly Thomas- her lover- being the penultimate occupant in 28.

*** Rick remembered the "Who's this?!" phone call and the call where Sue was informed by Nina that Johnny and Dana were together and arrive home later. Imagine Sue that night, where she would be: Couch Potato A#1 Sharp, present and accounted for, in her only known spot: the dent on the right corner of the couch. FURTHEST FROM THE PHONE. Besides, Sue was Meeks as a mouse, she'd never answer the phone! Filthy thing! Sheila and Tina weren't home for either call, Greg was five, Justin was just a contentious objector visiting from the north, which left Rick to answer the phone. Both times? No explicit indication he picked up the phone either time? The first was a male caller? Female? But the second call, he knew that was Nina Meeks. He knows Nina told Sue that Dana and Johnny would be home later, that they were safe, yada yada. Either Rick or Sue picked up the phone, but it was confirmed by Rick that Nina called, and re-affirmed by Sheila that, when she returned from 27 to 28 to get nightclothes, Sue told her J&D were together and would be coming home later.

SUE LEFT THE DOORS UNLOCKED, AND LEFT THE LIGHT ON IN THE BATHROOM WHEN SHE WENT TO BED. Whether or not it was Nina's part of A DEAL, THE STAGE WAS PERFECTLY SET FOR THE MURDERS.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby sparkplug » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:46 pm

Bravo, that's it in a nutshell. Well done!

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Cheerwine » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:33 pm

WOW!

This thread was hard to read.
Blaming the adult female victim and telling her daughter that her mother was basically a worthless whore?

I have to say that this all sounds so familiar; a woman's scorn caused the whole thing?
Get control of yourselves, and dial it back; the sound of the desperation because you don't know is what's really worthless.

You expect Shelia to talk bad about her own mother?
The woman was killed along with her own children in her own home, and you wan't to blame her and the lady that lived across the street.
It's practically cliche.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby JEP » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:44 pm

Cheerwine,

No one is blaming Sue or any of the other victims for their murders. I have no idea where you got that from. I don't think anyone is judging Sue for her lifestyle either. But her lifestyle is definitely linked to her death.

I can't speak for the other people on this forum, but the thing that baffles me the most is the complete silence from the Sharp boys, now men. I would never expect any of Sue's children to speak badly of her, she was their mother. From what I've read here in the forum, Sue was kind of a detached mom and her kids had little supervision. She had two daughters that were raped by their father. Tina was molested again in Keddie and Sheila became pregnant at 13 for God's sake. Think about that for a moment. How in the hell do you allow that to happen over and over again? I do judge her for that.

As far as the the lady across the street, I'm not sure if you mean Marilyn or Nina Meeks. Both of those women are involved in this mess up to their eyeballs. So yeah, most of us blame them in some way or another. You can make fun of the "woman scorned" motive all you want. Marilyn was the catalyst for those murders. If you've got some different ideas, then throw them out there.
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Postby Cheerwine » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:49 am

! enjoyed reading your memoir in the other post. It was a good read and it gave us all a better understanding of who you are.

So, who was angry/afraid of Sue?

Marde (for having sex with him then telling Loon)
Meeks Brothers (for adopting out Shelia's baby & threatening to turn in the other one for having sex with Tina)

Is it possible that Marde wanted to threaten Sue, or exact revenge, by having the Meeks boys pick up J/D and bringing them home that night so he could beat the shit out of J in front of Sue AND Shelia? Marde/Bo had a vehicle that night and probably saw J/D hitchhiking.

Bo was a stupid sheep that enjoyed violence, so he was all in after Sue refused to join them at the bar that night.

Did Marde/Bo head over to Sue's to get things under control, only to realize too late that Tina was there instead of Shelia (as they expected her to be)?

I probably have it all wrong, and could try to figure out on my own if the players were available to fit this scenario, but why not just ask you?

I like your melting head gif, Dmac. Geesh, no insult intended. :roll:

Also, please don't get upset just because I thinks it's wrong to keep going at Shelia who is only trying to protect herself and her family from SO much more ugliness after her family was executed. The truth probably hurts so much for her.

Thanks, Dmac!
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Cheerwine » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:00 am

Also, maybe Loon came over to stay in the room with the boys, and keep them occupied, once things got out of control. Justin saw what was happening though, and Marde probably decided to teach him a lesson about keeping his mouth shut or the same thing would happen to him. Justin walked through the blood.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Cheerwine » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:17 am

Sorry, but one last thought:

Since Sue and Tina were in bed when Marde/Bo arrived, is it too far fetched to think that maybe Sue gave the boys a nice dose of cold medicine to get them to go to sleep so that she could rest? Would not be the first time a mom used this little trick.

Maybe that's why they didn't wake up? Justin was older, so his senses were a little more keen since he lived with fucking loud, mean and crazy Marde?

My mom used to give it to me, but I always woke up when my Dad got home drunk and the fighting began; but I could turn over and go back to sleep only to be awoken later by my mother to leave the house or get in the bed with me for the night so my Dad would leave her alone.
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Postby dmac » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:55 am

Oh, just fuck your stupid, sanctimonious self, Cheer. Pull the dildo out of your ass, along with that 2x4, and fuck the fuck off of this site. You are a stupid, presumptuous, thick-headed twat.

You don't understand this case any more than you understand 1981 or 2018. You sure as fuck don't understand anything about the victims or the killers.

Go back to Fox Newz, you vile, worthless cow.

Your shallow, worthless cunt antics got you banned, you chunk-snot-swilling pigfuck.

Bye, now. Have a GREAT day!

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Carriebritt41 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:47 pm

Cough medicine? Kill me now!! Right now!! Read all the information on this site! Please. It's all here for us to read.
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Postby dmac » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:56 pm

The sad note is that fart-fuck thought she provoked me, started something.

Just because da dum ho aint readin doesnt make me responsible for her intentional illiteracy.

Sheila is a lying link to the MAIN FINK responsible for the case not being solved.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:40 am

Cheer obviously didn't read enough for a synopsis. Or she drank the koolaide. To debunk her msteps based on not enough reading of the case here would take all day. It is a known fact that lifestyle is directly linked to murder. It is obvious that Sheila is not protecting her mothers memory but the criminals. Trying to guide it away from the Meek connection. Keeping the boys silent and controlling everything possible. One can only hope Cheer moves on or educates themself b4 pontificating further.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Carriebritt41 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:29 pm

If Sue had put her children's needs first, I really do not think this crime would have happened. I could be totally wrong. It's evident why this happened and No! I am not blaming her, but had she put her kids first, just sayin. The kids didn't have to much of a chance unfortunately. The kids were victims from the moment they were born. They had no choice whose womb they came out of. That's what pisses me off and the cover up. I pray for justice for all of them.

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Postby Carriebritt41 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:31 pm

Forget family secret's and ego. Tell the truth Sheila!! Come forward! Do the right thing. Makes me sick!
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Postby nekogirrl » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:44 am

cough medicine? really? nobody here is blaming the victims...sue was not a good mother, for whatever reason, she just wasn't. her kids ran wild and pretty much did whatever they wanted. tina and sheila were molested by their father...but sue DID NOTHING.....then tina was molested again after her dad kicked them out... and her mother DID NOTHING. sheila got pregnant at 13 by her mom's so-called best friends' 16 year old son...and sue DID NOTHING...she gave the baby up for adoption, which in my mind, (having been adopted)...was a good thing. sheila was too young to be a mother, and you don't want to know my opinion of handing that baby over to mrs. meeks... however, i would be guessing that was done because, in the first place, they couldn't afford another mouth to feed....and sue didnt want a baby cramping her style. sue didnt want to be a mom...she dated lots of men, had sex when she wanted to, and probably took money from some of them...so who cares? doesn't mean she deserved killing. sheila won't admit it...she's ashamed of her mother, and loves her too. maybe she doesn't want her kids or grandkids to know what happened and why. at the same time, she wants the people who did it to pay...she has always sounded very conflicted to me....and after all this time, the spotlight is probably pretty addictive. sue lived a high-risk lifestyle, and so did her kids...hookers get killed because they get into cars with strangers and go to isolated places...runaway teenagers get killed because they trust the wrong person and get into situations they can't get out of, with no support system to back them up. but nobody deserves being murdered. everybody makes mistakes in life....who knows? sue might have had an "oh shit" moment...gotten herself and her kids straightened out....but if some dumb ass kills you before you figure it out, you can't fix the mistakes. i feel sorry for sheila and her brothers...this is like a big old abscess they have been living with for decades. and they are so used to the pain now, they can't get to the point of realizing that if the case is finally solved....like lancing the abscess, the relief would be wonderful....
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Postby budrfligh » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:22 pm

Precisely Nekko

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Chichibcc » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:49 am

Plus, being able to "pull the strings," in so many words, probably allows Sheila to continue with the public persona that she has put out there, and gives her a warped sense of control/security. We know her and her siblings certainly lacked both of those in their early lives, for sure.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:36 am

Cheech, you've an ability to stay abreast of the rest with only passing time to spend on the case. But you should know more than most my anger at Sheila is unproductive, if still just.

Loon pulling strings. Who'd of thunk that in 2010. The internet virtually ate her pussy back then.

My anger at Loon is 10000
My anger at Sheila is 10.

I need to make up better expletives which differentiate that chasm- wide enough to suck Loon into her own gaping gap.

O, that's it:

Loon's cunt is so stretched, it can't even suck in her bullshit lies. Her vapid BS replaced the vacuum.

When I looked into the case in 06 & 2010, I thought Loon was maybe 0% likely to be involved. Now it's 100% and YESSSS manipulating her puppets. Before, during, after. Hence the Meeks have, at least, blood on their dicks. The Loonibi & Tunabi bloodies many.

I am not simply ANGRY about silence, I'm fucking insensitive about the fuckers who perp it daily. Try that against KNOWING Loon and Justin are 100% in the murder scene. Not Sheila.

Look over this site to find when people suspected Loon was involved. Not Justin, just Loon. Those people are many and were the core of this forum at Day One. And they didn't suspect her openly until we pulled her lies apart. TBH, the same people hated the Loonibi when I debuted my understanding that 3-7 people all shared the same lies: The Loonibi is real, even if many original members split over it.

If calling Sheila a liar is a fault, then fault me. She is a fucking liar. There's a MASSIVE shift in fault and anger and guilt, so look no further than:

Loon is 100000 times worse than Sheila, and I Marilyn Sharp Musgrove on the end of a rope. I want to see her die. Yes, I want to pull the trigger on that cunt. I haven't said that since John Wayne Gacy, if readers need perspective yet again.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Chichibcc » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:47 am

No, I'm not finding fault with the fact that Sheila is lying and omitting information at all; I was just stating what I thought were her motives for doing it, from my perspective.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Ausgirl » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:45 pm

For years, I've been looking sideways at the "Sue was killed b/c she rejected Bo" idea, with absolute conviction that this was pure BS, and I think I've probably typed every possible alternate theory there is, to one degree or another over that time. Nothing sat well.. and to a thankfully much lesser degree than before, some of it still doesn't.

I am sure this is not the -whole- picture ... but Marty's affair with Sue makes way better sense than "rejected Bo". The vile mechanics of it all start there, and make a great deal of sense of Loon's behaviour and lies, and a whole lot more besides.

Massive thank you's to all the people responsible for revealing this truth. It's lifted a great weight off of all this.

And maybe I've come to settle with the idea that poor Tina was removed dead from the scene as a kind of red herring, a fake kidnapping scene or w/e for the cops (the ones who were actually investigating, anyway..) to focus on, instead of looking harder at Sue. It's probably just that simple.

And hopefully these murders keep lifting lids off Plumas County's worm cans for many years to come.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:44 pm

I was certain it was horseshit from Day One, as 'it was Marty, No it was BO' that was pissed at Sue. Nobody could keep the lie straight, so anyone repeating it is more suspect than before: Loon. The Meeks.

Likewise, when I deduced the existence of the Loonibi, I saw immediately Loon's "I knocked on Sue's Door" was pure manure. It's one of the most blatant revisions of the Loonibi which, eventually, I labelled the Tunabi.

For so long, I sensed there was something between Marty and Sue. Then I heard from someone close to the first joshumentary that it was prevalent gossip, rumor, mythology, that Marty had a small stiffy for Sue. The whole case was a pile of shit for reasonable motives until you discard wholesale the pile we'd been sold and look for the simplest answer: ongoing love triangle. Add Marty's insanity and Loon's sociopathy, and it' all tied up.

When Gamberg was researching the gate being open on the bridge, as well as the apparent lie behind why J&D didn't get the promised ride home from Dana's FWB, it led to who gave them a ride home, and confirmation Sue and Marty were a confirmed couple on the DT Sly. I didn't believe it at first, as I was on pain meds when I heard, and it just seemed too... perfect. Then I heard details on how he found it, how he confirmed it, and I was gobsmacked. My ten years of wondering about motive was as simple as it should have seemed to ANYONE: Occam's Razor told us we should have been looking at a very simple, common, unreasonable motive that is very close to both homes.

I believe my years of screaming, "This had NOTHING TO DO WITH TINA!" kinda wore Mike down. As more stuff came out, like IDing Dee's car hiding under the canopy of Keddie trees at Sunday noon, and IDing the 70-72 Impala which raced away from 26 just before Dee's car started to sneak out... was WADE'S...

And the pink pantsuit, and the clear lies about the bridge being locked. As with Marty's confession, we have a falsified document stating the same people who said the bridge was opened ALSO claimed it was unusually locked by midnight, and they were pissed they had to climb over it. Well, ain't NOBODY climbing those locked gates. I've seen them, and climbing them is a suicide mission. Plus others came forward saying those two couldn't climb atop a pogo pony.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:34 pm

I have found countless cases where women are over looked as suspects much less masterminds. The softer sex my ass! Women can be the most brutal, ruthless and savage killers. I do not doubt loon did wet work on Sue. Maniacal glee is what comes to my mind. Now that the affair is out in the open it is clear. Those lies about Sue drinking or rather not drinking and being a house mouse are clearly fictional. Meant to misdirect from bars Sue and asshole Marty frequented during trysts. Marty hating Johnny, trash talking Tina and obsessed with getting Sue n Bo hooked up are clear misdirection now. Tunibi is ever more apt!

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Sun May 03, 2020 5:44 pm

Just today, while responding to many threads, Qs, and my own case-related pursuits, I found this:

I was told who did it. And he said he was having family problems, and the creditors where after him. They also said they hipmintized this boy and he say everything. He said it was Marty Smart They said he was having affair with Mrs. Sharp. Mr. Smart likes to see people being killed and also like to kill dogs and cats.

by Anonimitty

PS. They said that he is in Oregon.

It's not new. Josh made this one of his earliest posts on this forum but, as always, he blinded the truth with redacted quotes and sources.

Yet this very-early report from QHS grounds to LE having the vast majority of the case correctly spelled out, item by item, by this school-aged insider, INCLUDING THE AFFAIR!!! So, LE do the OBVIOUS: bury the truth even kids knew by then.

Some may see errors vs correct spellings within the statement as rudimentary, even educationally, vastly disparate. I can't even trust the source, if you haven't noticed.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Chichibcc » Tue May 05, 2020 3:26 pm

I remember reading that passage before, but at the time wrote it off. I really didn't see what Marty and Sue would've had in common to even think of engaging in an affair.

Of course, I now understand that wasn't necessarily a prerequisite, in this instance.

dmac wrote:
Just today, while responding to many threads, Qs, and my own case-related pursuits, I found this:

I was told who did it. And he said he was having family problems, and the creditors where after him. They also said they hipmintized this boy and he say everything. He said it was Marty Smart They said he was having affair with Mrs. Sharp. Mr. Smart likes to see people being killed and also like to kill dogs and cats.

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PS. They said that he is in Oregon.

It's not new. Josh made this one of his earliest posts on this forum but, as always, he blinded the truth with redacted quotes and sources.

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Postby dmac » Fri May 08, 2020 8:11 am

Justice17, back in 2017, upon hearing of Sue and Marty's affair, repeated that long-forgotten bit of insane truth. Again, look at this word for word and see how many of these exact words show PCSO and DOJ immediately knew what it took us eight years to deduce, then prove: the killers, their motives, and that LAW ENFORCEMENT intentionally covered up this mass murder, making the truth AND THE KILLERS go away for some 35+ years!

BTW, all {blockquotes] are my edits. Whoever wrote this OVERHEARD someone quite distinctly stating what he knew about the murders. Look up the sick student sitting in the gym who apparently overheard this same conversation. This overheard source, if the same as who I believe it is, I long ago IDd as one of the most credible sources for J&D sightings. Not his every word is truth, not by miles, but overall a reliable as hell witness. Again, if my educated guess is correct, this comes from the first week after the murder- which is also the first week school resumed after these Easter Break murders.

In this letter to a counselor at Quincy High School, an anonymous student identifies the perpetrator of the Keddie Murders. The letter is not dated. It is handwritten on notebook paper, and only the names have been abbreviated:

Dear Miss R.,

I was told by [Guess Who] who did it. And [Guess Who] said Marty was having family problems, and the creditors where [sic] after him. They also said they hipmintized [sic] this boy and he say everything. He said it was Marty Smartt. They said he was having affair with Mrs. Sharp. Mr. Smartt likes to see people being killed and also like to kill dogs and cats.

by Anonymity

PS. They said that he is in Oregon.

OREGON! This ties in DIRECTLY with MARTY. (and bo). DOUG THOMAS told outsider papers his very own I-5 killer, Marty Smartt, had been found in Oregon. CRIMELY told Marty's therapist that MARTY had been arrested in OREGON and charged with the murders.

Just as an aside from all else, whomever wrote this is cool as can be in my book. Going in, way over his/her (my bet is female) head, it's written coherently and concisely. There's some obviously squishy areas about who said what, but to begin this letter, knowing you don't know how to spell these words, yet doing so anyway? This person was uncomfortable writing this, but the courage to tell these truths, and in such a personally revealing way, is simply staggering.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby RobbersCreek » Sun May 10, 2020 12:28 pm

It’s pretty clear to me they had enough to make a good case against Marty. I wonder if he had been alone, and Bo was not living with him if he would have gone through with it. And if he hadn’t been associated with Bo if he would have actually been prosecuted.
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Postby mijou » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:14 pm

It is crystal clear that Marde is murderer number 1. It's clear that Marilyn and Bo are involved. This is the most simple explanation and is backed by multiple confessions and evidence. What is troubling me still is Sheilas involvement. She and Justin are obviously hiding something to this day. Was Sheila conspiring with the killers since her return from OR or even while still there? Also Tina... did the killers really intentionally dump her 1.25 miles into the next county just to throw off LE? Seems getting a second SO involved would be problematic for the killers but I'm probably missing something. Hopefully someone can fill me in.
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Postby dmac » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:01 pm

Mama Meeks is a liar (and so are the rest, including Gruebert) about the nature of the Sharps/Meeks relationships. They clearly weren't 'like family'; in fact, by the time of the baby's adoption, the Meeks, Marilyn, and Sheila all wanted Sue dead. Well, it may have still taken some convincing to have Sheila go thru with it, but she did:

She unscrewed the bulb to make it easier for the killers to do their job undetected.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:52 pm

It's my opinion that Sheila wanted to bury her sister who wasn't supposed to die. I think Tina really messed her up. The interview with police regarding where Tina could be was telling
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Underwater » Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:15 am

budrfligh wrote:
It's my opinion that Sheila wanted to bury her sister who wasn't supposed to die. I think Tina really messed her up. The interview with police regarding where Tina could be was telling

That is so sad. Tina was such a sweet little girl. I always wanted a little sister. How can you be so ruthless (Sheila)? Especially Sheila was 13 years old at the time and therefore still a child herself. Unbelievable that even children can be so cruel. I hope she will pay for it. Sometimes I wonder if she regrets this decision (to send Tina to her death) today. Especially what is it that Tina did that Sheila was so jealous of?

What I was still wondering. Apparently she knew that these murders were going to happen that night. So she must have known that Greg and Rick were also in great danger. Do you think she was prepared to accept that Greg and Rick could die along with Tina? If so, Sheila is not only a disgusting person, but an abomination of evil. Heartbreaking
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Postby HotPotato » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:42 pm

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budrfligh wrote:
It's my opinion that Sheila wanted to bury her sister who wasn't supposed to die. I think Tina really messed her up. The interview with police regarding where Tina could be was telling

That is so sad. Tina was such a sweet little girl. I always wanted a little sister. How can you be so ruthless (Sheila)? Especially Sheila was 13 years old at the time and therefore still a child herself. Unbelievable that even children can be so cruel. I hope she will pay for it. Sometimes I wonder if she regrets this decision (to send Tina to her death) today. Especially what is it that Tina did that Sheila was so jealous of?

What I was still wondering. Apparently she knew that these murders were going to happen that night. So she must have known that Greg and Rick were also in great danger. Do you think she was prepared to accept that Greg and Rick could die along with Tina? If so, Sheila is not only a disgusting person, but an abomination of evil. Heartbreaking

Sheila was groomed. That's no excuse, but the facts surrounding the time up until the murders points to heavy direct and indirect grooming.

1. Sues mistreatment of Sheila (and her other kids for that matter). Being a bad mother in general and by that forcing Sheila to take on adult responsibilities from an early age. Jealousy of Tina.

2. Sues inability to foresee and later act quickly enough to the abuse the kids, mainly Tina and Sheila, was enduring by their father James Sharp's hands.

3. The toxic environment. Hanging with the shady sort, bad seeds. No rules, no boundaries. Smoking, drinking, having sex with numorous men from an early age.

4. Sue forcing her to put her and Richard Meeks' baby up for adoption.

5. The influence. Loon talking her full of shit about Sue, pissed off about Sue and Martys relationship. Mama Meeks pulling her to her chest, agreeing on the mistreatment of Sheila and Sues bad parenting, pumping her full of shit because she is pissed off that Sue adopted Richards baby away.

All this, combined with Sheila being a 14 yo with a lot of luggage, makes the whole thing seem very plausible to me. Did she ever think far ahead on the consequenses? No. Would she believe it if the crooks at 26 and MXHQ told her her babybrothers would'nt be harmed? Possibly. Is it possible Justin was put there on purpose that night to make sure R and G stayed the hell in their rooms? I guess.

My point is, Sheila was a child herself. A wrecked, angry child. That does not excuse what she did, and least of all, the total lack of responsibility taken as a adult.

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Postby dmac » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:03 pm

That's not grooming. It's just a shit life, and others have survived and flourished rather than result to murder.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby HotPotato » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:29 pm

dmac wrote:
That's not grooming. It's just a shit life, and others have survived and flourished rather than result to murder.

That's why I said that there is no excuse.

And I do believe that many of the other shitheads that surrounded Sheila actively took advantage of her situation to groom her from a angered and bitter girl into a participant in murder. Did she let them? Yes. Could she have said fuck off and protected her family from the ones wishing them harm? Oh yes. Could she have used her anger og bitterness to turn her life around and do her best with what she had, like most people that goes through rough childhoods? Fuck yes!

But she did'nt. And I'm not saying what she endured makes up for what she did, only that it was a part of making her who she is.

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Postby Underwater » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:38 pm

HotPotato wrote:
Underwater wrote:
budrfligh wrote:
It's my opinion that Sheila wanted to bury her sister who wasn't supposed to die. I think Tina really messed her up. The interview with police regarding where Tina could be was telling

That is so sad. Tina was such a sweet little girl. I always wanted a little sister. How can you be so ruthless (Sheila)? Especially Sheila was 13 years old at the time and therefore still a child herself. Unbelievable that even children can be so cruel. I hope she will pay for it. Sometimes I wonder if she regrets this decision (to send Tina to her death) today. Especially what is it that Tina did that Sheila was so jealous of?

What I was still wondering. Apparently she knew that these murders were going to happen that night. So she must have known that Greg and Rick were also in great danger. Do you think she was prepared to accept that Greg and Rick could die along with Tina? If so, Sheila is not only a disgusting person, but an abomination of evil. Heartbreaking

Sheila was groomed. That's no excuse, but the facts surrounding the time up until the murders points to heavy direct and indirect grooming.

1. Sues mistreatment of Sheila (and her other kids for that matter). Being a bad mother in general and by that forcing Sheila to take on adult responsibilities from an early age. Jealousy of Tina.

2. Sues inability to foresee and later act quickly enough to the abuse the kids, mainly Tina and Sheila, was enduring by their father James Sharp's hands.

3. The toxic environment. Hanging with the shady sort, bad seeds. No rules, no boundaries. Smoking, drinking, having sex with numorous men from an early age.

4. Sue forcing her to put her and Richard Meeks' baby up for adoption.

5. The influence. Loon talking her full of shit about Sue, pissed off about Sue and Martys relationship. Mama Meeks pulling her to her chest, agreeing on the mistreatment of Sheila and Sues bad parenting, pumping her full of shit because she is pissed off that Sue adopted Richards baby away.

All this, combined with Sheila being a 14 yo with a lot of luggage, makes the whole thing seem very plausible to me. Did she ever think far ahead on the consequenses? No. Would she believe it if the crooks at 26 and MXHQ told her her babybrothers would'nt be harmed? Possibly. Is it possible Justin was put there on purpose that night to make sure R and G stayed the hell in their rooms? I guess.

My point is, Sheila was a child herself. A wrecked, angry child. That does not excuse what she did, and least of all, the total lack of responsibility taken as a adult.

Very well described!!!

But I have to disagree with you on one point. I don't think that's why Sheila was jealous of Tina. Just because Sheila had to take care of everybody and not Tina? Therefore jealous of Tina? That can't possibly be the motive for Tina's murder, can it? There must have been more here.

I also wonder how Sheila could have known that Tina would be killed but not the two boys. I think if Tina would have been in the boys' room as well, she might not have been killed. Or maybe it was agreed before that Tina would be killed. But then that would not fit with Smartt's statement when he told the therapist that he could not tolerate eyewitnesses and that Tina had to die because of that. I can't figure it out.

Furthermore, how can Sheila be sure that the boys won't be killed just because Justin is in the room? I think Rick saw everything too, didn't he? They could have killed him too. I think Sheila sent Tina there hoping that she would be killed. So she didn't know 100% if Greg and Rick would stay alive.I really believe here that Sheila was not at all sure that Greg and Rick would stay alive. So Sheila is a bigger scum than I thought.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:40 pm

Ah, gotcha, but admit it took less time to groom Sheila to kill her family than it takes to trim my beard.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Underwater » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:45 pm

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dmac wrote:
That's not grooming. It's just a shit life, and others have survived and flourished rather than result to murder.

I think here you have to put yourself in the shoes of a 13 or 14 year old girl. First of all very easy to manipulate. Second, in puberty. Furthermore, she knew that her mother would die. She had hated to play second mother to the rest of her siblings anyway. Maybe she just wanted them all to die so that she would not have to play the mother anymore. Maybe this is where johnny comes into play. He also had to be eliminated so that nobody could have control over her anymore.

What interests me is whether the killers knew that justin would be there or not. And how did it come about that justin spent the night there that night. As we know, the Meeks and Loon must have gotten together Maybe mama meeks had more planned there than she shared with loon. Really very complex. You can make 1000 guesses here.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby HotPotato » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:46 pm

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Ah, gotcha, but admit it took less time to groom Sheila to kill her family than it takes to trim my beard.

Actually, it took less time than it takes to trim MY beard, and I'm female. :roll:

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby HotPotato » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:50 pm

Underwater wrote:
HotPotato wrote:
Underwater wrote:
budrfligh wrote:
It's my opinion that Sheila wanted to bury her sister who wasn't supposed to die. I think Tina really messed her up. The interview with police regarding where Tina could be was telling

That is so sad. Tina was such a sweet little girl. I always wanted a little sister. How can you be so ruthless (Sheila)? Especially Sheila was 13 years old at the time and therefore still a child herself. Unbelievable that even children can be so cruel. I hope she will pay for it. Sometimes I wonder if she regrets this decision (to send Tina to her death) today. Especially what is it that Tina did that Sheila was so jealous of?

What I was still wondering. Apparently she knew that these murders were going to happen that night. So she must have known that Greg and Rick were also in great danger. Do you think she was prepared to accept that Greg and Rick could die along with Tina? If so, Sheila is not only a disgusting person, but an abomination of evil. Heartbreaking

Sheila was groomed. That's no excuse, but the facts surrounding the time up until the murders points to heavy direct and indirect grooming.

1. Sues mistreatment of Sheila (and her other kids for that matter). Being a bad mother in general and by that forcing Sheila to take on adult responsibilities from an early age. Jealousy of Tina.

2. Sues inability to foresee and later act quickly enough to the abuse the kids, mainly Tina and Sheila, was enduring by their father James Sharp's hands.

3. The toxic environment. Hanging with the shady sort, bad seeds. No rules, no boundaries. Smoking, drinking, having sex with numorous men from an early age.

4. Sue forcing her to put her and Richard Meeks' baby up for adoption.

5. The influence. Loon talking her full of shit about Sue, pissed off about Sue and Martys relationship. Mama Meeks pulling her to her chest, agreeing on the mistreatment of Sheila and Sues bad parenting, pumping her full of shit because she is pissed off that Sue adopted Richards baby away.

All this, combined with Sheila being a 14 yo with a lot of luggage, makes the whole thing seem very plausible to me. Did she ever think far ahead on the consequenses? No. Would she believe it if the crooks at 26 and MXHQ told her her babybrothers would'nt be harmed? Possibly. Is it possible Justin was put there on purpose that night to make sure R and G stayed the hell in their rooms? I guess.

My point is, Sheila was a child herself. A wrecked, angry child. That does not excuse what she did, and least of all, the total lack of responsibility taken as a adult.

Very well described!!!

But I have to disagree with you on one point. I don't think that's why Sheila was jealous of Tina. Just because Sheila had to take care of everybody and not Tina? Therefore jealous of Tina? That can't possibly be the motive for Tina's murder, can it? There must have been more here.

I also wonder how Sheila could have known that Tina would be killed but not the two boys. I think if Tina would have been in the boys' room as well, she might not have been killed. Or maybe it was agreed before that Tina would be killed. But then that would not fit with Smartt's statement when he told the therapist that he could not tolerate eyewitnesses and that Tina had to die because of that. I can't figure it out.

Furthermore, how can Sheila be sure that the boys won't be killed just because Justin is in the room? I think Rick saw everything too, didn't he? They could have killed him too. I think Sheila sent Tina there hoping that she would be killed. So she didn't know 100% if Greg and Rick would stay alive.I really believe here that Sheila was not at all sure that Greg and Rick would stay alive. So Sheila is a bigger scum than I thought.

Ooopsie, misunderstanding in action, my bad.

Never meant that S was jealous of T because of the things in point 1. Just the fact that she was jealous of and did not want Tina in her life for several reasons. Period.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:01 pm

Sheila bought into something where I believe the original plot was she would control the lighting and the bedroom: She knew who was coming and wouldn't scream. But Sue and Tina did.

I believe Justin, Dana, and Tina were unwanted surprises to the killers. None were supposed to be there.

Sheila, at the very least, switched places with Tina. Win-win for Sheila.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Underwater » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:09 pm

then it means that sheila planned the murder of tina merely on her own initiative. unbelievable. the ugly often envied the beautiful.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby HotPotato » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:41 am

dmac wrote:
Sheila bought into something where I believe the original plot was she would control the lighting and the bedroom: She knew who was coming and wouldn't scream. But Sue and Tina did.

I believe Justin, Dana, and Tina were unwanted surprises to the killers. None were supposed to be there.

Sheila, at the very least, switched places with Tina. Win-win for Sheila.

Oh man... This is exactly why I asked about the culture in the Keddie community in another thread...

Loon did not know that Justin were spending the night in 28? Where the hell did she think he was at, then?

Is this just one more things to add to the list of breaches in the scumbag personalities of the gang of stupid brutes, not giving a shit about what their children were up to? Or was this typical Keddie, the "safe and tight knitted" community? Kids as young as Justin staying out late, sleeping wherever he wanted, his mother totally oblivious?

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Underwater » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:48 am

HotPotato wrote:
dmac wrote:
Sheila bought into something where I believe the original plot was she would control the lighting and the bedroom: She knew who was coming and wouldn't scream. But Sue and Tina did.

I believe Justin, Dana, and Tina were unwanted surprises to the killers. None were supposed to be there.

Sheila, at the very least, switched places with Tina. Win-win for Sheila.

Oh man... This is exactly why I asked about the culture in the Keddie community in another thread...

Loon did not know that Justin were spending the night in 28? Where the hell did she think he was at, then?

Is this just one more things to add to the list of breaches in the scumbag personalities of the gang of stupid brutes, not giving a shit about what their children were up to? Or was this typical Keddie, the "safe and tight knitted" community? Kids as young as Justin staying out late, sleeping wherever he wanted, his mother totally oblivious?

I have often asked myself the same question. I think that these people just didn't use protection or were just drunk and had sex and then it happened BOOM pregnant. I had heard from Zonita Seabolt that she would never have let her children join the Sharps because everything was so chaotic at the Sharps etc. I think that the "everybody's okay, nothing's happening" didn't prevail there. Besides, people must have known that drugs were being dealt there. Such a place cannot be safe.

I think that people like Loon were just scum. I mean she knew that her son was in C28 and still committed the murders. I don't think she wasted a second that her son could get psychological damage or trauma. I mean this proves that Loon was not only scum, but also an extremely lousy disgusting mother. I would have been so happy if she could read all this. But she's dead.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby HotPotato » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:32 am

Underwater wrote:
HotPotato wrote:
dmac wrote:
Sheila bought into something where I believe the original plot was she would control the lighting and the bedroom: She knew who was coming and wouldn't scream. But Sue and Tina did.

I believe Justin, Dana, and Tina were unwanted surprises to the killers. None were supposed to be there.

Sheila, at the very least, switched places with Tina. Win-win for Sheila.

Oh man... This is exactly why I asked about the culture in the Keddie community in another thread...

Loon did not know that Justin were spending the night in 28? Where the hell did she think he was at, then?

Is this just one more things to add to the list of breaches in the scumbag personalities of the gang of stupid brutes, not giving a shit about what their children were up to? Or was this typical Keddie, the "safe and tight knitted" community? Kids as young as Justin staying out late, sleeping wherever he wanted, his mother totally oblivious?

I have often asked myself the same question. I think that these people just didn't use protection or were just drunk and had sex and then it happened BOOM pregnant. I had heard from Zonita Seabolt that she would never have let her children join the Sharps because everything was so chaotic at the Sharps etc. I think that the "everybody's okay, nothing's happening" didn't prevail there. Besides, people must have known that drugs were being dealt there. Such a place cannot be safe.

I think that people like Loon were just scum. I mean she knew that her son was in C28 and still committed the murders. I don't think she wasted a second that her son could get psychological damage or trauma. I mean this proves that Loon was not only scum, but also an extremely lousy disgusting mother. I would have been so happy if she could read all this. But she's dead.

Well, remember to put on your scepticals when Z. Seabolt says anything. I don't trust them at all. Remember, they were just a few feet away that night, and supposedly heard or saw nuthin'... Yeeeah...

And dmac does have a point. There is a possibility Loon did'nt know Justin were at 28 that night.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby Underwater » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:38 am

HotPotato wrote:
Underwater wrote:
HotPotato wrote:
dmac wrote:
Sheila bought into something where I believe the original plot was she would control the lighting and the bedroom: She knew who was coming and wouldn't scream. But Sue and Tina did.

I believe Justin, Dana, and Tina were unwanted surprises to the killers. None were supposed to be there.

Sheila, at the very least, switched places with Tina. Win-win for Sheila.

Oh man... This is exactly why I asked about the culture in the Keddie community in another thread...

Loon did not know that Justin were spending the night in 28? Where the hell did she think he was at, then?

Is this just one more things to add to the list of breaches in the scumbag personalities of the gang of stupid brutes, not giving a shit about what their children were up to? Or was this typical Keddie, the "safe and tight knitted" community? Kids as young as Justin staying out late, sleeping wherever he wanted, his mother totally oblivious?

I have often asked myself the same question. I think that these people just didn't use protection or were just drunk and had sex and then it happened BOOM pregnant. I had heard from Zonita Seabolt that she would never have let her children join the Sharps because everything was so chaotic at the Sharps etc. I think that the "everybody's okay, nothing's happening" didn't prevail there. Besides, people must have known that drugs were being dealt there. Such a place cannot be safe.

I think that people like Loon were just scum. I mean she knew that her son was in C28 and still committed the murders. I don't think she wasted a second that her son could get psychological damage or trauma. I mean this proves that Loon was not only scum, but also an extremely lousy disgusting mother. I would have been so happy if she could read all this. But she's dead.

Well, remember to put on your scepticals when Z. Seabolt says anything. I don't trust them at all. Remember, they were just a few feet away that night, and supposedly heard or saw nuthin'... Yeeeah...

And dmac does have a point. There is a possibility Loon did'nt know Justin were at 28 that night.

I think you're right. But Dmac also mentioned that Justin was forced to join in to get "dirty". So Loon was very much in the sense that Justin was there. What loving mother expects this from her child?
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby HotPotato » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:56 am

Underwater wrote:

I think you're right. But Dmac also mentioned that Justin was forced to join in to get "dirty". So Loon was very much in the sense that Justin was there. What loving mother expects this from her child?

I think the whole "get dirty" thing in that case happened after they noticed that Justin was in 28.

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Postby Underwater » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:39 am

HotPotato wrote:
Underwater wrote:

I think you're right. But Dmac also mentioned that Justin was forced to join in to get "dirty". So Loon was very much in the sense that Justin was there. What loving mother expects this from her child?

I think the whole "get dirty" thing in that case happened after they noticed that Justin was in 28.

Yes, I think so too. But a real mother would never ask such a thing of her son, never. A real mother would not kill the innocent children of others either, because she knows exactly what pain the loss of a child means to a mother.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm

D- Have we batted around the idea that Marty was sent to the VA to shore up a defense of PTSD and pick up good ole Bo just for the murders? Since it's pre-med and all it's possible that Marty was enamored with Bo and I doubt that he met him for the 1st time, especially when he was packing boxes of clothes. Which I highly doubt. I think that's details added to solidify the lies and toss them under the bus, which was likely also planned.
I think I have posted this before- about how the card game went. How they blamed the vx, got the kids involved, and set up Marty and his bestie on the downtown. These bitches were SCANDALOUS sincerely tho. I mean it. Loon being IMO a narcissist would be extremely good at making Sheila feel GOOD about herself, want to please her and if consider her mom didn't see her. A narcissist knows how to bait a hook and a teenager that just gave up her anchor baby is especially vulnerable because of hormones and the normal depression, loss, & grief.

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Postby dmac » Sun May 30, 2021 8:17 pm

No, Marty was given the boot by Loon because he was found out for f-ing Sue. No job, he hooked up with his old pal in Reno, Bo. Dee Lake tutored him on the PTSD scam and dropped hiom off in Reno to live with Bo, do his VA scam, and do a buttload of advertising carny scams.

That was early March. The PTSD stuff was shot down right off the bat by the counselor (I may reveal this person soon, along with the person who took J/D to Keddie- names I've protected because I've only HEARD they don't want to be named).

With Dee Lake's income bonanza shot to shit, Marty stayed on as his marital problems and wish to get back with Loon were real (I can reveal Marty's VA case notes show they listed him as a "sociopath" even prior to the murders). The murders happened the day before what I believe was his third weekly visit to his counselor. Awake since at least Sat AM, no chance to sleep Sunday morning after the murders, he still made it to Reno on Monday for that scheduled appt and immediately began talking about "what happened in Keddie".

So, quick rundown:

► Early Mar M moves to Bo's in Reno
► By mid-MArch, within two appts, he tries the Dee Lake PTSD claim and is shot down, laughs it off
► End of Mar, Loon has talked Marde into believing she'll take him back if they get rid of the defiler. Dee or Wade brings them back from Reno to 26
► April 12 The Hit, the 'Drive to Reno' is really to C18
► April 13 The 'Drive to Reno' is real, he keeps his appt w/ the counselor and begins th confession process by discussing 'what happened in Keddie'.

The Counselor Timeline is so thick with facts, it does nothing but verify the breakdown of the marriage in 26 and the firming up of plans between MXHQ and Loon, then Loon pulling in Marty (and Bo) to be the muscle and Nina pulling in Sheila to set up 28 for a safe environment for murder.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Mon May 31, 2021 4:41 pm

I must say it's damn good and refreshing to get solid answers were we were relying upon a relative amount of eliminating as we went along. This is a very important piece. It certainly makes sense now that there is collaboration. I know that it must be full of Aha moments for you too. I know that it is a bunch of "oooh I fucking knew it!!" and " ohhhh, now I see it" for me. I really wanted to be wrong about Sheila but couldn't shake the lies in the Saturday timeline.

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Postby dmac » Mon May 31, 2021 10:07 pm

Exactly right about the "a-ha" etc moments. A few 'uh-ohs', too. "uh-oh, I got that wrong" and "uh-oh, that's firming up shit I still can't publicly discuss".

I think so much was eliminated off-the-bat by ignoring (according to when I first came aboard in 2006, and in order of importance to me) that asshole who claimed to give the 'Last Ride' WHO ALWAYS WROTE IN CAPS WHEN HE WANTED TO FAKE BEING ONE VERSION OF HIMSELF OFF ANOTHER, then I knew Loon was a liar and the Loonib was real but I think I called out Justin first. As in: Everything Justin Says Is a Lie... unless you can find corroborating evidence. I outed Justin on that well after seeing the Loonibi but before posting on that conclusion.

So, for me and most of us 28 old-timers , we figure some things out but don't have the ethical proof to air our thoughts. Once we do, maybe we post. Maybe we wait for the next link in the chain.

It's corroboration which proved collaboration in the 28 Murders- The killers corroborated their inclusion in the conspiracy by goose-stepping moronic lies as a group alibi, and it took years for us to piece it together and have all kinds of evidence corroborate our varying suspicions.

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby budrfligh » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:03 am

I have a pal who calls me the psychic profiler because I am intuitive and capable of getting into the head of the people involved. I can't express facts to support my deductions but it's deff not psychic. I just know killers and how they think.

Like all the BS blown up our azzes about these families being besties. The GD slumber party for instance. I tried to make sense of it, but it just didn't fit. The same with the timeline account of Saturday didn't fit. So process if eliminating what does not fit or work in my head or proving that it will not fit. If it doesn't fit I can't let it go. Lol I am tenacious.

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*** Rick remembered the "Who's this?!" phone call and the call where Sue was informed by Nina that Johnny and Dana were together and arrive home later. Imagine Sue that night, where she would be: Couch Potato A#1 Sharp, present and accounted for, in her only known spot: the dent on the right corner of the couch. FURTHEST FROM THE PHONE. Besides, Sue was Meeks as a mouse, she'd never answer the phone! Filthy thing! Sheila and Tina weren't home for either call, Greg was five, Justin was just a contentious objector visiting from the north, which left Rick to answer the phone.”
Well this is just wildly speculative, I mean Sue did have working legs! In fact she used them to drive her kids around that day, do yard work, make dinner, then popcorn when they all sat down to watch t.v. that night. I also have a favored couch section, yet some how still manage to answer my phone, cook, drive and garden.
“Something struck me about motive, just a thought . During the investigation Karl Spang a local doper was interviewed at length by Steve Wright, then a deputy. Spang said that he had fronted J&D money for dope and followed them to MV to a party and then back to Keddie. All bullshit babble re: a drug motive?? During the interviews Spang said that he'd been stiffed and went back to Greenville to the xxxxx Bar where he witnesses a fight and that xxxxx was the bartender and could verify the info.”
I really think Mike Gamberg was trying to feel D out about the statements from Spang here. Now why a special investigator would need a forum hosts permission to look into other persons of interest is beyond me. Especially persons who claimed to be in Keddie that night, and even more so when witness statements may corroborate said story.
“You had mentioned in the past that Marty was upset that Sue was banging the railroader in the trailer just above his cabin.”
Mike just classes up any joint he walks into. Yeah, I know this is fairly mild on his spectrum, but it was just right there.

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May 16, 2023 6:28:03 GMT snoho17 said:

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Why TF would Rick make up a receiving a phone call? He was a kid recalling what had happened the night before.

I believe that phone call did happen and could have been of importance. You recently asked if could have been an attempt to find out if Johnny was home & how it may line up with Phillip's statement of those responsible looking for J&D. I believe that's a possibility as well. It is strange they received a phone call like that that night. It's a shame there was no way for PCSO to determine where the call originated from. It may have been the lead PCSO needed to solve this 42 years ago.

“Something struck me about motive, just a thought . During the investigation Karl Spang a local doper was interviewed at length by Steve Wright, then a deputy. Spang said that he had fronted J&D money for dope and followed them to MV to a party and then back to Keddie. All bullshit babble re: a drug motive?? During the interviews Spang said that he'd been stiffed and went back to Greenville to the xxxxx Bar where he witnesses a fight and that xxxxx was the bartender and could verify the info.”

I really think Mike Gamberg was trying to feel D out about the statements from Spang here. Now why a special investigator would need a forum hosts permission to look into other persons of interest is beyond me. Especially persons who claimed to be in Keddie that night, and even more so when witness statements may corroborate said story.

That is exactly the way it read to me too. "Hey master, what are your thoughts on this? You already told me not to believe Spang's BS but do you think I might have found the motive? Do ya think? It matches what you've already speculated. We can use this right? Let me know your thoughts before I write up my report without attempting properly vet the information". 🤢🤮🤢🤮 That exchange turns my stomach every time I read it. How many others like this occurred?

“You had mentioned in the past that Marty was upset that Sue was banging the railroader in the trailer just above his cabin.”

Mike just classes up any joint he walks into. Yeah, I know this is fairly mild on his spectrum, but it was just right there.

Lol, yeah really. So professional & respectful while speaking of a victim 😡

A thought I've had, if Sue was the sole target and the above was part of what triggered Marty & made him agree to carry it out... he had the opportunity to get her late at night when she was returning home from Daryl's. We're made to believe he was being a creepy creep watching them in Dareyl's trailer becoming enraged. Well then he would have been able to know exactly when Sue was leaving. He could have accosted her while she was outside and alone in the dark. Instead he decides to enter her cabin fully aware she is a single mother with a house full of children, including his own son that night??

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Post by kmik on Jun 30, 2023 3:30:21 GMT

I just checked out the latest post on 28fB and all I can say is after 3 years of being in Plumas and access to files and taped interviews this is what he spews out….again? An “alleged” affair claim from 1 of the most undependable people to show up in this case??

Where were Marty and Sue carrying on this affair?? He wasn’t employed like Joe B. and Darryl J. so where was this happening??

The ride Steven Clark gave Marty was with Marilyn not Sue - and Marty told LE it was Marilyn - Steven didn’t even know him just that he lived in Keddie and so did Steve (hence Steve giving them a ride)

Maybe 28’s time would be better spent tracking down what “counselor” Vance said in 1981 like Josh Seabolt did and quit relying the “extravagant story” that he told on a documentary that Vance never thought would see the light of day. And if it’s not in his files then maybe he doesn’t have all the facts - and if it is then we know why it has not been posted. All those years we thought this was some VA psychiatrist.

All that info at his fingertips and he still can’t produce a case against Marty Smartt - so he’s widened the net to include half of Quincy - and not one single print or dna surfaced in all that CS to point to anyone.

No foreign DNA on the blue bandanna used in Sue’s gag? If it didn’t come from 28 then it came from somewhere and should have someone’s DNA on it even if the killer wore gloves (which is doubtful). If the bandanna was not from 28 then someone’s DNA besides the Sharp kids should be on it - even after all these years

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2017 - BOMBSHELL Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found Jul 1, 2023 5:38:24 GMT

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Post by snoho17 on Jul 1, 2023 5:38:24 GMT

Good points and I want to point out that somebody, and I mean somebody who knew Sue well enough to recognize her, somebody close to Sue or Martin should have known something. People who cheat are always finding excuses to be near their lovers. "can you come look at my car it's acting funny" or "here I brought Justin's pillow he forgot" they should have been making lame excuses to be together, or explain being seen together but there's nada. Because the weren't. And where's all of Sue's crazy love letters? I've noticed to types of cheaters, those who fall in love with someone new, and out of love with their spouse and serial cheaters who just cant keep it in their pants. Marty hadn't fallen out of love with Marylin and it doesn't seem like there's a line of women he slept with. I just don't think it possible for a secret like that not to get out in that small community.

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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:23 pm
“I'd love for Mike to allow me to quote the whole email/report (sans personal info joe-mcplumber and I hate to see). It was from this find about Barkeep/Affair that Gam asked if I thought it was relevant to my years-long certainty that Marty was jealous because Sue was knocking boots with Dareyl, 20 yards from Loon's and Marty's nuptual vantage.”
I thought Mike said, ”Fuck it, put it ALL out there?”

Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:17 pm

“Yeah, I asked if he/she was still around ("still floating"), but I have no doubt he/she knows it was Sue and Marty. Sue was in the news, known, and identified because she'd attended college with the source. And it's not like Sue could ever be mistaken for Loon in appearance or physical similarity. I think it's a stand-alone out-of-the-park home run.”
Well we know that’s just not true.

Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Postby dmac » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:38 pm

“No, Mike Gamberg's wife. Mike verified the info from the bartender against school records, which is how he found his wife was also in Sue's class. Sue took two typing classes, not in the same semester.”
Wait, Mike didn’t know until 2017 that his wife had a class with Sue? That never came up before this?
“Sheriff Thomas told us he was great friends with Marty, used to drive around 'on patrol' with Thomas and Shanks up front and Marty in the back.”

Well I don’t think that’s exactly true.