Post by Hope on May 16, 2023 2:26:05 GMT
Here is the entire thread detailing Kathy B. & Cruzita's admission of being the ones who rode Johnny & Dana home to cabin 28 on April 11, 1981. This information was given to Mike Gamberg in 2017. 37 years after the fact.
Who rode Johnny & Dana home was one the biggest mysteries of this case. Law enforcement publicly pleaded for those with information regarding this to come forward. Kathy & Cruzita did not. Kathy in fact was untruthful to law enforcement when they asked her about this in 1981. Why?
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CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:47 pm
The reason I had difficulty believing the bartender's account of Sue shagging Marty is the mindblowing other shit this person brought up: He/She gave John and Dana the ride to Keddie late Saturday night. The reason it's been secret for 35 years is He/She didn't want to get Kathy Beckley in trouble for her affair with Dana.
Kathy had promised them a ride, but 'had no gas' (didn't want to be seen with the kid she'd been illegally shagging), so she had her mom contact the bartender- mutual friends- and He/She went and picked the boys up later, He/She reckons between 10-11 pm, maybe even later. He/She said Keddie seemed really spooky that night- 28 was dark, no exterior lamp on, and the internal lighting was very dim. He/She was very uneasy, and got the hell out of there.
This account has been confirmed by two sources, a family member and Kathy herself.
So, the boys got home to Keddie around that time of night. 35 years of nagging questions solved.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby Billyalshef » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:16 am
Absolutely mind blowing! I hope this has a snowball effect on people coming forward, seems even the smallest secrets can help explain so much.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby Salem » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:14 am
Do we know the bartender's name?
So much for Craig's bullshit story. That guy was such a liar!
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby Salem » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:16 am
So where did the bartender pick them up? Did they go back to the Chevron station on the corner of Lawrence and Hwy 70? Did she get them at the park, near the college, or where? Do you know?
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Postby budrfligh » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:27 pm
Things seem to be connecting a lot as of late. People are finally coming forward. These tiny details seem so unimportant but matter so very much. 11p.m. or later.... Latest would be bar close I'd imagine. After all the elusive J/D stories that night a credible source is dreamy! No outside light, interior dimly lit.... Did she recall if they went in the front door? I ask because they may have made their way around back towards John's room.
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Postby dmac » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:40 pm
I'll have more info on this in a few days. I was talking about it to Mike a couple days back, but I'd just cut the crap out of my had and was on a pain pill, so I wasn't exactly remembering what was being said, so I cut the call short so I could get home and crash.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby Dogfur » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:02 pm
If this is accurate it certainly eliminates the myriad of possibilities that the “Bad Ride” speculation brought into play. It makes the killers almost certainly Keddie ‘occupants’ on the night of 4-11. It also causes revisit to some interesting spec on the activities of J & D leading up to 1:15 muffled screams.
It is very damning to Sylvester Thomas and the crew of law enforcement ‘specialists’ that don’t seem to be interested when this info was screaming to be followed up.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby satsirk » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:43 am
Wow! It is so eerie how many people we either knew or know that have been quiet all these years and seems sickening to myself how they could...if they didn't murder anyone they should have found a way or someone to talk to. This could have saved a lot of heart ache from the "not knowing a damn thing" Shame on LE the most for not doing their job like we expect them to! I do believe they were hired to protect us, not cover up crimes of bad people. I'm talking about the past, not the present. UGH!
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Postby Ausgirl » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:33 pm
So would this push back the estimated time of the initial attack.. a couple hours? Given the 10-11 'maybe later' time frame and the observed and unusual darkness of the place.
Were the screams heard maybe not Sue or Tina.. but a teenaged boy (Johnny, as Dana was most likely dead in the first minute they entered that house..) in terrible pain and terror? Or maybe one of the female victims was still alive at that point..
Absolutely supports that the perps returned for the staging hours later. Gotta wonder if that was Bo's idea, yeah?
Incredible, that these details are seeing light now.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby budrfligh » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:03 pm
What king of automobile was used? Anything fit into sightings?
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:45 am
Try thinking back to when forums first popped up about this horrid crime. 2005?
I'd say far less than 10% interactive today were active then. I'd say maybe 200000% more assholes are present today, never active then.
I'd say Craig, claiming he took J&D home, is finally proved the cunt I said he was in 2006.
I'd say even outsiders recognize lots more cunts and liars than the pedo-fuck Craig have been outed as the liars they are.
Yeah, and I'd say Mike Gamberg never wasted his time after the dumb cunts we know as liars.
Unless they lied about something important, the MAGGOTS.
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The timing of the following 'find' is perfect. I was working on the Timeline Z reboot today, and finally found the report that lists addresses and phone numbers of witnesses who saw J&D on Sat. It includes info from Beckley, and her address. I think it answers a thousand Qs, like why were people at Downtown Trailer Park including her in a gossip bitchfest? Why were J&D seen by Van's and Chevron? When did X pick them up? Where were they when picked up?
Kathy lived about 100 yards from the Exxon, as the crow flies. She lived immediately adjacent to the Downtown TP. If following the roads, it's about 300 yards, but if you take the shortcut (go between the Chevron and the trailers, then walk south behind to Kathy's apt), It's about 175 yards.
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You don't have to be as smartt as Marde to see how easy it would be for the boys to keep in contact with Kathy while hitching from the Exxon, or how sightings of them nearby piled up.
Time to shoot a couple more elephants in the room:
Sightings of J&D seem to have them moving around, disappearing for stretches of time, and reappearing elsewhere. Mainly, Exxon, Van Gas, Chevron. From Exxon, walk north to Van, cross Crescent to Chevron, cut south to Kathy's. That's the short cut to Kathy's down to the footstep.
So, the boys were possibly going back to Kathy's to update her on their lack of success thumbing a ride. Kathy is probably still not being fully truthful, coming from a place of grief, regret, shame, embarrassment, ultimately guilt, including this bit.
Did the boys call 28, as Rick's account is noted in some reports/timelines? Or did they call the Meeks or someone else, looking for a ride? Did this info ricochet back to Sue via Nina? If so, why didn't Sue toss the kids in the car and go get them? Or had they already gone to bed, so she wouldn't leave? It's hard to trust anything coming out of 28, since both the killers and victims have been lying for decades.
What we now may assume is the boys returned to Kathy, and perhaps it was their persistence which led to the family friend picking them up. At least it gave them phone access, so they may have called out for a ride. May have called home. One must read the accounts, then ask if LE is lying in the report, if the reporting party is lying, etc., and why?
These possible phone calls from Kathy's house could awaken friend AND FOE to the fact Sue was home alone and the boys were, as of say 9:30, stuck in town begging for a ride. If that were fodder to get a home invasion going, sooner than later is the premise. This invasion still didn't begin til 115, according to screams, so phone calls don't seem to have effected the beginning or outcome of the crimes. Still something to ponder.
One last thing, before the concluding bombshell. The boys could have gone in and chilled upstairs, watching TV, etc. One thing I remember from 2010, when first discussing the TV's odd position: Was it found turned on? Was the TV turned to a channel with a live station received in Keddie? After 7 years, evidence says the TV was off and remained off and was found off. Sue got tired, turned off the TV, went to bed. Next: The tape radio found on the floor. Did Johnny have a radio or stereo of any kind downstairs? If not, why not take the radio? Maybe they did, and maybe it ended up back upstairs. At any rate, I mention all of this because they are moot points: Whether John had a $5 tape deck or a Sansui stereo system with an Ortofon cartridge on the tonearm is immaterial. We'll never know at this point, and my assessment is they were hanging out downstairs in The Bachelor Pad, away from the family, doing what they wanted. They were downstairs, and ran up into hell.
BOMBSHELL: The person who dropped them off said it was eerie in Keddie, the front of 28 was unlit, and the interior was dimly lit. END OF BOMBSHELL.
DEDUCTION: The killers did NOT walk into an unlit cabin that night. Sue, probably, had left the bathroom light as a navigation and nightlight. Probably did EVERY night:
Nightlight for Tina and Greg, Navigation light for all- including John- to get to the bathroom or elsewhere. The killers used it, and probably never turned on another light. And the neighbors didn't notice it because it was the norm.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby budrfligh » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:32 pm
Ok John and Dana have had their ride confirmed. Looks like buisness as usual, potty light on but oddly no porch light? Creepy feeling not withstanding did she race away or did she see the teens get inside? Import is due to walking in front door or running upstairs. Also is there an actual time? What else did she see? Cars, blazers or green vans? Seems it was relatively deserted enough to feel creepy?
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:31 pm
someone else took the photo. This is 28 pasted in to show relief and decline, and cabin 27 (Seabolts) is gone. Duh... Both were torn down within minutes.
This is just a reminder of how 28 stood in Keddie.
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Check out the trees from the CS photos, I numbered them for you.
Here's the Google Street View of the shortcut between Chevron and the trailer park. If you look across the street, it's Van Gas. A bit more to the right is the Exxon (now a 76).
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BTW, it's the trailer park where Tina and her friend were molested 7/80, and where Justin lived a couple years back.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby red70 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:41 pm
Was it the bartender or Kathy Beckley who finally told the police? Was the bartender Judy Lepley (from the PON list)?
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Postby dmac » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:45 pm
Judy is not a source on any of this, to my knowledge, although I'm pretty sure she helped confirm where Karl was not on Sat night. PCSO in 81 had a hard-on for Karl because, like Craig Walters and other pukes, he was inventing BS to make it seem he held keys to the case. Upon Mike's recently re-investigating the truthiness of Spang's statements, he found a 1981 report in which PCSO learned not only that Spang witnessed no fight at the bar, several witnesses stated Spang wasn't at the bar at all. Of course, we know Spang's lying about fronting Johnny and Dana dope, so they didn't burn him that night, yada yada yada.
What we also know as a direct result of lie-checking Karl's BS in 1981, PCSO were told that Marty was having an affair with Sue, was seen at the bar with Sue, and one witness was creeped out by how possessive and jealous he was towards Sue. In 1981, shortly after the murders, PCSO had a killer AND the motive, and did nothing about it. No followup, much less arrest, conviction, etc.
When Mike was reading through the Spang files recently, he remembered me stating Marty was probably jealous and mad as hell Sue had been screwing Dareyl a few yards away from his own bedroom in the weeks leading up to the murders, so he spoke to the source from 81 who said Marty and Sue were clearly in an affair. He got verification from another person, and as a third dose, K Beckley explained J/D's ride home, with her confirmation very consistent with the other accounts. This was without time for rehearsal. Bam, bam, bam.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby red70 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:35 pm
I understood Mike's email to say that Deputy Wright talked to a female bartender at the Pioneer Bar who dispelled Karl's story, and same bartender said that Marty was seeing Sue. I know from the PON list that Judy was a (female) bartender from the Pioneer Bar who dispelled Karl's story to Deputy Wright.
You posted this same bartender is the one who gave J/D the ride to Keddie which was confirmed by Kathy and a family member. I have 3 questions: Do you know the name of the bartender who gave the boys a ride to Keddie?
Was it Kathy, the bartender, or a family member who came forward with the information on the ride?
When did this person come forward with this story (1981 or 2017)
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Postby dmac » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:03 pm
Right bar, right night, wrong bartender. I don't know your age or where you're from, but back in the 80s and 90s, when I frequented bars and was a pool ace, most bartenders were female. Saturday nights, depending how busy and how big, had three or four of them.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby red70 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:21 pm
I'm probably a bit younger than you then and I'm from the east coast so it appears to be very different than what I was used to back in the 90s. 1 male bartender, maybe 2 (at most)
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Postby dmac » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:04 am
I was falling asleep all afternoon, and was in a rush to get done with a couple emails and answering posts, shut down shop, and get my ass home to crash on the couch for a couple hours' kip. I know there's a couple posts I didn't have time to answer properly. I remember yours as one, and the other's been a bitch to remember.
1> Yes, but I haven't spoken to Mike abt releasing the name. Hell, I haven't even considered it. Unlike Marty, Loon, Bo, Dee, Tony, Justin, et al, this witness is not a murderous piece of shit, so I haven't thought of releasing the name. Suffice to say it's not a known liar (ie Craig, Loon, Nina, Karl, Chuck, Hankie, et al) and, unlike much of LE's work on the case, this witness has been vetted. Considering the hate and stupidity I've seen pop up in emails and elsewhere over these revalations, I doubt I will release a name in the foreseeable future. There's clearly still a lot up unstable fuckwits following this case who think a simple solve must be a new conspiracy, particularly when compared to their favored, insane theory.
2> answered earlier, above
3> also answered earlier and above, but maybe not clearly enough?
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What we also know as a direct result of lie-checking Karl's BS in 1981, PCSO were told that Marty was having an affair with Sue, was seen at the bar with Sue, and one witness was creeped out by how possessive and jealous he was towards Sue. In 1981, shortly after the murders, PCSO had a killer AND the motive, and did nothing about it. No followup, much less arrest, conviction, etc.
Yes, PCSO were told Marty and Sue were having an affair in 81. It's in the same 1981 report debunking Spang's liefest about having a motive to both kill J&D (non-existent drug burn at a party J/D never attended; then Karl's clearly false alibi for his whereabouts during the murders). Karl Spang was blatanty threading the needle fpr PCSO to falsely make him a suspect and martyr. Karl's a lifelong, worthless fucknut like Walke, Thompson, Donna, Phil, Craig, etc. I think I made it clear that, when Mike found this file from 81, Spang's bullshit non-alibi wasn't the main revelation exposed. Motive for the murders is.
Once again, the murderers were handed to LE on a platter and, rather than follow up, LE buried it. Mike's recent contact was apparently both a surprise and the first time LE has spoken to the witness about the Sue/Marty fling since the report was filed in 81.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby bullshit-buster » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:34 am
trying to read up here as much as possible dmac I hate irritating you by posting. But I neeeeeed to get 15 under my belt so I can see all the stuff you guys are talking about!
so please ignore rather than be annoyed. I don't take it personally. I know its frustrating but people ask because they care.
that's why we here :-)
if not worthy its fine lol
so at the end of the day we know who why what when.
the biggest mystery left is why we they not prosecuted?
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It is hard to fathom how cops could coldy allow innocent kids to be murdered and go unpunished?
we are talking about two carnies for god sake.liars cheats nobodies.
I just can't see how a pair of thugs like bo and marty could have any power over law inforcement.
even if the local cops were involved in something under the table. says who??? marty and bo?
why let this go. should have been a piece of piss :roll:
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Postby Indyfan » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:56 am
Not to answer for dmac but take a look at this thread
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It is pretty clear of what Crim and Bradley's CA DOJ corrupt intentions were. As for DT he was buddies with Marde. It is completely disgusting the corruption that was going on during this investigation from all angles!
Sorry dmac just wanted to direct this poster to that specific thread as I am currently reading it too.
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Postby bullshit-buster » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:18 pm
thank you indy fan for reply but that's not my point.
I have read extensively here the what could have been going on stuff .
at the end of the day bo was a nobody carny.
he couldn't rub two dimes together.
marty same boat.
no matter what shady shit was going on around town it should have been easy to lock this pair up throw away the key murder mystery solved...aren't we heros?
shouldn't have mattered what dibby dobbing either of them did still small time nobodies.
seems like such a travesty if it all comes down to the useless small time bit cops covered this all up so stupidly for side issues that were irrelevant to the case.
could have and should have put them away crime solved and nobody any the wiser about police corruption. :-O
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Postby dmac » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:50 pm
BB, your post indicates you're the one probably missing the point. You can't get there from here without looking at the coverup.
Bo, like most mob scum, couldn't keep his dick out of the blender. Always looking for MORE, a bigger pizza da pie, they end up doing very stupid shit for more money. A lot of made guys get whacked for bending the rules, and a lot of peons get whacked for far fewer infractions. I believe what I was told in 2010 by a relative of Bo's, the first to contact me. Anonymously, but the info has proved spot on. He was the first to say Bo did nothing unless there was something in it for him. He also said he was digging holes in the desert in Vegas, was doing pretty good for himself, but got kicked out of Clark County for being too obvious, and for making his connections with fake/corrupt cops too obvious. Pulling the old ticket scams supposedly benefiting real or fake benevolent societies was a huge moneymaker, and it got him the Sheriff Lamb County Line treatment.
Hell, I found myself working for one of the same exact scams in 1982. Phone sales, about 20 of us on the phones 8 hours a day for a week, we got one paycheck for the first couple days work, and we were fucked out of the rest. Skipped town, no show either for all those fake tickets. This scam was to benefit firemen. Right, exactly the kind of shit Bo was doing. Think of the money they were pulling in.
Bo's ability to make money rested on his ability to keep his shit together, which he couldn't. He was an idiot and at least an alcoholic. He used his family as unwitting mules, sending packages of drugs through them. He'd show up on a doorstep, and a "friendly visit from Uncle Bo" would become a few weeks on the couch, using their phone to pull scams, until someone gave him the boot. As a result, his value to the mob flowed and ebbed. I'd say tha by age 51, as he was on April 11, his best days were behind him. But he still knew the three-piece routine.
Ask yourself what he was doing in Keddie. I still believe four dead in 28 fucked whatever plans he had that put him on Marty's and Loon's couch. And never believe Marty and Bo first met, by accident, at the VA in Reno ten days before the murders. Disproved years ago. And because we KNOW they knew each other from before Keddie, we can only guess as to what their plans were. For weeks, Marty knew his world was imploding. No job, about to be evicted, he's fucking Sue, Loon's fucking Wade, Loon wants out, he's going apeshit. Dee Lake sets up the check-in at the VA, gives Marty some shit advice for how to claim newly-named PTSD benefits. But Bo is already in Reno, having got the boot from Clark County (Vegas). We can only guess what they had planned. Marty couldn't shit in his backyard if he had any intention of staying in Plumas. In other words. he and Bo planned on one of three things I can approach:
► something quite different locally- a scam or score that had nothing to do with sales scams
► the usual sales scams, but committed in other counties under different names
► hit and run: scam anything in sight and hit the road. Whether he wanted or believed Loon and rugrats would follow is probably something he was delusional about.
We don't know how well they knew each other, Keep in mind, Loon was with Marty for three years by now, so to believe she didn't know him yet is probably a sign you may be delusional! LOL. Seriously, we can logically only say they knew each other, had something planned, and 28 fucked the game plan. IF the Quincy Business Map has one bit of truth to it, it tells me Marty had already committed to fucking Plumas and hitting the road. He'd committed to Bo over whatever he thought Loon would do.
What part of reason/motive behind a coverup do you not understand?
Pigs don't expend this much effort to fuck justice unless there is some serious ass-covering going on. To prosecute Marty, Loon, Bo, et al, would apparently expose some highly embarrassing, and incredibly illegal, activities by those protected by a highly illegal perversion of justice. One doesn't go out, as LE, and commit a criminal coverup unless trying to keep the huge dick of Justice out of their own ass.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby Magnum PI » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:31 am
Unbelievable!! All these years of trying to figure out who actually gave J/D the ride that night. I've been out of the loop far to long, time to get back to reading!! Great work as always Dmac.
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Postby Ausgirl » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:26 am
...incredible. Well, not really. More like gobsmackingly, absolutely credible.
No wonder they wanted Mike nowhere near this case. I hope enough is dug up to put Doug Thomas behind bars, where he fucking belongs.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:51 am
If, in future, anyone needs to know the line of dialogue between Mike and myself which led to "who drove them home" and MOTIVE, remind me of "you definitely have a way with words". That phrase leads directly to the rest, back when Mike and I were holding Karl Spang over that fart fire.
It makes no sense, unless you read where the emails lead.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:17 pm
I spent an hour on the phone with Mike Gamberg today- the first time we've talked for any length in a long while, probably since he called to explain how well the calls to Kathy Beckley and the Bartender went. That was back in 2018, before I decided to take an 18 month sabbatical from all things Keddie.
Well, since we brought it up among many topics, I may as well add some details which flesh out that scenario.
Mike has the full roster of who was in Sue's classes, and in one class (a business course, probably the typing class- he didn't recall off the top of his head) was Sue, Marilyn, Mike's wife (Linda), and the bartender who gave John and Dana the ride home, and confirmed Sue was having an affair with Marty.
This next part is mind-blowing. Remember the shot of DT standing at the open doorway of 28, pointing to blood or fingerprints above the living room light switch? The diminutive fellow next to him is Steve Wright, the undersheriff at the time. He's also the guy who did the diarama-type colored-pencil floorplan drawing, with the exploded view of the living room detailing where sections of the wall had been removed. Well, Steve is now clearly another suspect in the coverup (K⁴).
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Doug Thomas, leatherbound, with his diminutive minion, Steve Wright. Steve's wearing Tina's missing rainbow jeans.
It turns out, very early on, Steve interviewed the bartender. I don't believe the ride home was mentioned, as Kathy clearly wanted that hush-hush, but the bartender did speak of Sue and Marty having an affair. This included how scared the person had been for Sue, as Marty was a weird, squirrely freak of a dude who was insanely jealous of Sue.
Mike found this in the files file just prior to speaking with these two in 2018, yet it clearly shows PCSO had all the info to solve the case very shortly after the murders and did not act upon it.
In 1981, the killers were known, even their motives. Yet some at PCSO (DT, Stoy, DeCrona, Shanks, Wright, etc) conspired with at least Crimely of CA-DOJ to derail the investigation, and cover up that Marilyn, Marty, Bo, Dee, Tony, and several others committed the murders.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:23 pm
I have to reel WAAAAY back on this, maybe a quarter turn:
I recall Mike Gam saying "you have a way with words" as being centric to the solution. I know he'd said or written it to me. I even posted that I knew that phrase held the key to info on what is the SOLVE of the murders.
After talking to Gamberg today, I searched for that very term yet again, and found how The Solve went down.
Mike quoted a document about a Bartender, spoken to on the Karl Spang angle, back in 81. Mike and I had systematically taking few sources to discredit all Karl said. This Spang 'source' said Karl Spang is a lying piece of shit, he's a known liar, he was never at the bar that night (4-11/12). But this bartender said Marty was having an affair with Sue.
I'd love for Mike to allow me to quote the whole email/report (sans personal info joe-mcplumber and I hate to see). It was from this find about Barkeep/Affair that Gam asked if I thought it was relevant to my years-long certainty that Marty was jealous because Sue was knocking boots with Dareyl, 20 yards from Loon's and Marty's nuptual vantage.
THAT is when I said "LOOK AT KATHY B, the 830 dinner is a moronic lie" I'd brought it up before, but along with 1500 other things.I told him Kathy's mommy dinner excuse was a blatant lie, that Kathy lived right behind Chevron/Downtown TP, and J/D pestered her until she relented, accounting for J&D at Exxon, Chevron, Van Gas.
That's when Gam made the two calls which solved Who and Why.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby RobbersCreek » Fri May 01, 2020 2:32 am
Good to know Mr Gamberg is still chipping away at this. Seems like it’s getting closer than ever to some kind of resolution. Looks like it could have came sooner were it not for the constant bungling of the case by LE. But we all know their motives for that.
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Postby dmac » Tue May 05, 2020 4:41 pm
I'd love to get a couple hundred together, wipe lock and load a decent ebay laptop will all the files, and load it with a desktop search engine as good as Copernic. why do I have names and answers so quickly in such a diverse and bullshit-filled case? My memory and my reliance on Copernic.
When I moved to London in 2000, I met up with Boo again. I updated her computer and installed Copernic, and taught her how to use it. She came back, asking about a real FBI agent who several copied to act as FBI. Same bullshit came up in my work on Bo. I mentioned her info on the agent was BS, but I'd solved Keddie- partially by seeing the fake FBI guy as BS. Wasn't til the People cover she thanked me.
If I could have 1/10th of what Mike has, this case would be more solved than ever yet just as impossible to prosecute. In Plumas.
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Who rode Johnny & Dana home was one the biggest mysteries of this case. Law enforcement publicly pleaded for those with information regarding this to come forward. Kathy & Cruzita did not. Kathy in fact was untruthful to law enforcement when they asked her about this in 1981. Why?
See also:
2021 Updated/Corrected(?) Version - 2021 - "Kathy Beckley and The Last Ride Home - The Complete Story"
2017 - BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found
Cabin 28 / Keddie Murders Forum
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CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:47 pm
The reason I had difficulty believing the bartender's account of Sue shagging Marty is the mindblowing other shit this person brought up: He/She gave John and Dana the ride to Keddie late Saturday night. The reason it's been secret for 35 years is He/She didn't want to get Kathy Beckley in trouble for her affair with Dana.
Kathy had promised them a ride, but 'had no gas' (didn't want to be seen with the kid she'd been illegally shagging), so she had her mom contact the bartender- mutual friends- and He/She went and picked the boys up later, He/She reckons between 10-11 pm, maybe even later. He/She said Keddie seemed really spooky that night- 28 was dark, no exterior lamp on, and the internal lighting was very dim. He/She was very uneasy, and got the hell out of there.
This account has been confirmed by two sources, a family member and Kathy herself.
So, the boys got home to Keddie around that time of night. 35 years of nagging questions solved.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby Billyalshef » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:16 am
Absolutely mind blowing! I hope this has a snowball effect on people coming forward, seems even the smallest secrets can help explain so much.
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Postby Salem » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:14 am
Do we know the bartender's name?
So much for Craig's bullshit story. That guy was such a liar!
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Postby Salem » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:16 am
So where did the bartender pick them up? Did they go back to the Chevron station on the corner of Lawrence and Hwy 70? Did she get them at the park, near the college, or where? Do you know?
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Postby budrfligh » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:27 pm
Things seem to be connecting a lot as of late. People are finally coming forward. These tiny details seem so unimportant but matter so very much. 11p.m. or later.... Latest would be bar close I'd imagine. After all the elusive J/D stories that night a credible source is dreamy! No outside light, interior dimly lit.... Did she recall if they went in the front door? I ask because they may have made their way around back towards John's room.
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Postby dmac » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:40 pm
I'll have more info on this in a few days. I was talking about it to Mike a couple days back, but I'd just cut the crap out of my had and was on a pain pill, so I wasn't exactly remembering what was being said, so I cut the call short so I could get home and crash.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby Dogfur » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:02 pm
If this is accurate it certainly eliminates the myriad of possibilities that the “Bad Ride” speculation brought into play. It makes the killers almost certainly Keddie ‘occupants’ on the night of 4-11. It also causes revisit to some interesting spec on the activities of J & D leading up to 1:15 muffled screams.
It is very damning to Sylvester Thomas and the crew of law enforcement ‘specialists’ that don’t seem to be interested when this info was screaming to be followed up.
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Postby satsirk » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:43 am
Wow! It is so eerie how many people we either knew or know that have been quiet all these years and seems sickening to myself how they could...if they didn't murder anyone they should have found a way or someone to talk to. This could have saved a lot of heart ache from the "not knowing a damn thing" Shame on LE the most for not doing their job like we expect them to! I do believe they were hired to protect us, not cover up crimes of bad people. I'm talking about the past, not the present. UGH!
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Postby Ausgirl » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:33 pm
So would this push back the estimated time of the initial attack.. a couple hours? Given the 10-11 'maybe later' time frame and the observed and unusual darkness of the place.
Were the screams heard maybe not Sue or Tina.. but a teenaged boy (Johnny, as Dana was most likely dead in the first minute they entered that house..) in terrible pain and terror? Or maybe one of the female victims was still alive at that point..
Absolutely supports that the perps returned for the staging hours later. Gotta wonder if that was Bo's idea, yeah?
Incredible, that these details are seeing light now.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby budrfligh » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:03 pm
What king of automobile was used? Anything fit into sightings?
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:45 am
Try thinking back to when forums first popped up about this horrid crime. 2005?
I'd say far less than 10% interactive today were active then. I'd say maybe 200000% more assholes are present today, never active then.
I'd say Craig, claiming he took J&D home, is finally proved the cunt I said he was in 2006.
I'd say even outsiders recognize lots more cunts and liars than the pedo-fuck Craig have been outed as the liars they are.
Yeah, and I'd say Mike Gamberg never wasted his time after the dumb cunts we know as liars.
Unless they lied about something important, the MAGGOTS.
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The timing of the following 'find' is perfect. I was working on the Timeline Z reboot today, and finally found the report that lists addresses and phone numbers of witnesses who saw J&D on Sat. It includes info from Beckley, and her address. I think it answers a thousand Qs, like why were people at Downtown Trailer Park including her in a gossip bitchfest? Why were J&D seen by Van's and Chevron? When did X pick them up? Where were they when picked up?
Kathy lived about 100 yards from the Exxon, as the crow flies. She lived immediately adjacent to the Downtown TP. If following the roads, it's about 300 yards, but if you take the shortcut (go between the Chevron and the trailers, then walk south behind to Kathy's apt), It's about 175 yards.
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You don't have to be as smartt as Marde to see how easy it would be for the boys to keep in contact with Kathy while hitching from the Exxon, or how sightings of them nearby piled up.
Time to shoot a couple more elephants in the room:
Sightings of J&D seem to have them moving around, disappearing for stretches of time, and reappearing elsewhere. Mainly, Exxon, Van Gas, Chevron. From Exxon, walk north to Van, cross Crescent to Chevron, cut south to Kathy's. That's the short cut to Kathy's down to the footstep.
So, the boys were possibly going back to Kathy's to update her on their lack of success thumbing a ride. Kathy is probably still not being fully truthful, coming from a place of grief, regret, shame, embarrassment, ultimately guilt, including this bit.
Did the boys call 28, as Rick's account is noted in some reports/timelines? Or did they call the Meeks or someone else, looking for a ride? Did this info ricochet back to Sue via Nina? If so, why didn't Sue toss the kids in the car and go get them? Or had they already gone to bed, so she wouldn't leave? It's hard to trust anything coming out of 28, since both the killers and victims have been lying for decades.
What we now may assume is the boys returned to Kathy, and perhaps it was their persistence which led to the family friend picking them up. At least it gave them phone access, so they may have called out for a ride. May have called home. One must read the accounts, then ask if LE is lying in the report, if the reporting party is lying, etc., and why?
These possible phone calls from Kathy's house could awaken friend AND FOE to the fact Sue was home alone and the boys were, as of say 9:30, stuck in town begging for a ride. If that were fodder to get a home invasion going, sooner than later is the premise. This invasion still didn't begin til 115, according to screams, so phone calls don't seem to have effected the beginning or outcome of the crimes. Still something to ponder.
One last thing, before the concluding bombshell. The boys could have gone in and chilled upstairs, watching TV, etc. One thing I remember from 2010, when first discussing the TV's odd position: Was it found turned on? Was the TV turned to a channel with a live station received in Keddie? After 7 years, evidence says the TV was off and remained off and was found off. Sue got tired, turned off the TV, went to bed. Next: The tape radio found on the floor. Did Johnny have a radio or stereo of any kind downstairs? If not, why not take the radio? Maybe they did, and maybe it ended up back upstairs. At any rate, I mention all of this because they are moot points: Whether John had a $5 tape deck or a Sansui stereo system with an Ortofon cartridge on the tonearm is immaterial. We'll never know at this point, and my assessment is they were hanging out downstairs in The Bachelor Pad, away from the family, doing what they wanted. They were downstairs, and ran up into hell.
BOMBSHELL: The person who dropped them off said it was eerie in Keddie, the front of 28 was unlit, and the interior was dimly lit. END OF BOMBSHELL.
DEDUCTION: The killers did NOT walk into an unlit cabin that night. Sue, probably, had left the bathroom light as a navigation and nightlight. Probably did EVERY night:
Nightlight for Tina and Greg, Navigation light for all- including John- to get to the bathroom or elsewhere. The killers used it, and probably never turned on another light. And the neighbors didn't notice it because it was the norm.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby budrfligh » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:32 pm
Ok John and Dana have had their ride confirmed. Looks like buisness as usual, potty light on but oddly no porch light? Creepy feeling not withstanding did she race away or did she see the teens get inside? Import is due to walking in front door or running upstairs. Also is there an actual time? What else did she see? Cars, blazers or green vans? Seems it was relatively deserted enough to feel creepy?
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:31 pm
someone else took the photo. This is 28 pasted in to show relief and decline, and cabin 27 (Seabolts) is gone. Duh... Both were torn down within minutes.
This is just a reminder of how 28 stood in Keddie.
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Check out the trees from the CS photos, I numbered them for you.
Here's the Google Street View of the shortcut between Chevron and the trailer park. If you look across the street, it's Van Gas. A bit more to the right is the Exxon (now a 76).
www.google.com/maps/@39.9381661, ... 312!8i6656
BTW, it's the trailer park where Tina and her friend were molested 7/80, and where Justin lived a couple years back.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby red70 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:41 pm
Was it the bartender or Kathy Beckley who finally told the police? Was the bartender Judy Lepley (from the PON list)?
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Postby dmac » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:45 pm
Judy is not a source on any of this, to my knowledge, although I'm pretty sure she helped confirm where Karl was not on Sat night. PCSO in 81 had a hard-on for Karl because, like Craig Walters and other pukes, he was inventing BS to make it seem he held keys to the case. Upon Mike's recently re-investigating the truthiness of Spang's statements, he found a 1981 report in which PCSO learned not only that Spang witnessed no fight at the bar, several witnesses stated Spang wasn't at the bar at all. Of course, we know Spang's lying about fronting Johnny and Dana dope, so they didn't burn him that night, yada yada yada.
What we also know as a direct result of lie-checking Karl's BS in 1981, PCSO were told that Marty was having an affair with Sue, was seen at the bar with Sue, and one witness was creeped out by how possessive and jealous he was towards Sue. In 1981, shortly after the murders, PCSO had a killer AND the motive, and did nothing about it. No followup, much less arrest, conviction, etc.
When Mike was reading through the Spang files recently, he remembered me stating Marty was probably jealous and mad as hell Sue had been screwing Dareyl a few yards away from his own bedroom in the weeks leading up to the murders, so he spoke to the source from 81 who said Marty and Sue were clearly in an affair. He got verification from another person, and as a third dose, K Beckley explained J/D's ride home, with her confirmation very consistent with the other accounts. This was without time for rehearsal. Bam, bam, bam.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby red70 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:35 pm
I understood Mike's email to say that Deputy Wright talked to a female bartender at the Pioneer Bar who dispelled Karl's story, and same bartender said that Marty was seeing Sue. I know from the PON list that Judy was a (female) bartender from the Pioneer Bar who dispelled Karl's story to Deputy Wright.
You posted this same bartender is the one who gave J/D the ride to Keddie which was confirmed by Kathy and a family member. I have 3 questions: Do you know the name of the bartender who gave the boys a ride to Keddie?
Was it Kathy, the bartender, or a family member who came forward with the information on the ride?
When did this person come forward with this story (1981 or 2017)
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Postby dmac » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:03 pm
Right bar, right night, wrong bartender. I don't know your age or where you're from, but back in the 80s and 90s, when I frequented bars and was a pool ace, most bartenders were female. Saturday nights, depending how busy and how big, had three or four of them.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby red70 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:21 pm
I'm probably a bit younger than you then and I'm from the east coast so it appears to be very different than what I was used to back in the 90s. 1 male bartender, maybe 2 (at most)
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Postby dmac » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:04 am
I was falling asleep all afternoon, and was in a rush to get done with a couple emails and answering posts, shut down shop, and get my ass home to crash on the couch for a couple hours' kip. I know there's a couple posts I didn't have time to answer properly. I remember yours as one, and the other's been a bitch to remember.
1> Yes, but I haven't spoken to Mike abt releasing the name. Hell, I haven't even considered it. Unlike Marty, Loon, Bo, Dee, Tony, Justin, et al, this witness is not a murderous piece of shit, so I haven't thought of releasing the name. Suffice to say it's not a known liar (ie Craig, Loon, Nina, Karl, Chuck, Hankie, et al) and, unlike much of LE's work on the case, this witness has been vetted. Considering the hate and stupidity I've seen pop up in emails and elsewhere over these revalations, I doubt I will release a name in the foreseeable future. There's clearly still a lot up unstable fuckwits following this case who think a simple solve must be a new conspiracy, particularly when compared to their favored, insane theory.
2> answered earlier, above
3> also answered earlier and above, but maybe not clearly enough?
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What we also know as a direct result of lie-checking Karl's BS in 1981, PCSO were told that Marty was having an affair with Sue, was seen at the bar with Sue, and one witness was creeped out by how possessive and jealous he was towards Sue. In 1981, shortly after the murders, PCSO had a killer AND the motive, and did nothing about it. No followup, much less arrest, conviction, etc.
Yes, PCSO were told Marty and Sue were having an affair in 81. It's in the same 1981 report debunking Spang's liefest about having a motive to both kill J&D (non-existent drug burn at a party J/D never attended; then Karl's clearly false alibi for his whereabouts during the murders). Karl Spang was blatanty threading the needle fpr PCSO to falsely make him a suspect and martyr. Karl's a lifelong, worthless fucknut like Walke, Thompson, Donna, Phil, Craig, etc. I think I made it clear that, when Mike found this file from 81, Spang's bullshit non-alibi wasn't the main revelation exposed. Motive for the murders is.
Once again, the murderers were handed to LE on a platter and, rather than follow up, LE buried it. Mike's recent contact was apparently both a surprise and the first time LE has spoken to the witness about the Sue/Marty fling since the report was filed in 81.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby bullshit-buster » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:34 am
trying to read up here as much as possible dmac I hate irritating you by posting. But I neeeeeed to get 15 under my belt so I can see all the stuff you guys are talking about!
so please ignore rather than be annoyed. I don't take it personally. I know its frustrating but people ask because they care.
that's why we here :-)
if not worthy its fine lol
so at the end of the day we know who why what when.
the biggest mystery left is why we they not prosecuted?
?It is hard to fathom how cops could coldy allow innocent kids to be murdered and go unpunished?
we are talking about two carnies for god sake.liars cheats nobodies.
I just can't see how a pair of thugs like bo and marty could have any power over law inforcement.
even if the local cops were involved in something under the table. says who??? marty and bo?
why let this go. should have been a piece of piss :roll:
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Postby Indyfan » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:56 am
bullshit-buster wrote:
trying to read up here as much as possible dmac I hate irritating you by posting. But I neeeeeed to get 15 under my belt so I can see all the stuff you guys are talking about!
so please ignore rather than be annoyed. I don't take it personally. I know its frustrating but people ask because they care.
that's why we here :-)
if not worthy its fine lol
so at the end of the day we know who why what when.
the biggest mystery left is why we they not prosecuted??
It is hard to fathom how cops could coldy allow innocent kids to be murdered and go unpunished?
we are talking about two carnies for god sake.liars cheats nobodies.
I just can't see how a pair of thugs like bo and marty could have any power over law inforcement.
even if the local cops were involved in something under the table. says who??? marty and bo?
why let this go. should have been a piece of piss :roll:
trying to read up here as much as possible dmac I hate irritating you by posting. But I neeeeeed to get 15 under my belt so I can see all the stuff you guys are talking about!
so please ignore rather than be annoyed. I don't take it personally. I know its frustrating but people ask because they care.
that's why we here :-)
if not worthy its fine lol
so at the end of the day we know who why what when.
the biggest mystery left is why we they not prosecuted?
?It is hard to fathom how cops could coldy allow innocent kids to be murdered and go unpunished?
we are talking about two carnies for god sake.liars cheats nobodies.
I just can't see how a pair of thugs like bo and marty could have any power over law inforcement.
even if the local cops were involved in something under the table. says who??? marty and bo?
why let this go. should have been a piece of piss :roll:
Not to answer for dmac but take a look at this thread
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It is pretty clear of what Crim and Bradley's CA DOJ corrupt intentions were. As for DT he was buddies with Marde. It is completely disgusting the corruption that was going on during this investigation from all angles!
Sorry dmac just wanted to direct this poster to that specific thread as I am currently reading it too.
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Postby bullshit-buster » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:18 pm
thank you indy fan for reply but that's not my point.
I have read extensively here the what could have been going on stuff .
at the end of the day bo was a nobody carny.
he couldn't rub two dimes together.
marty same boat.
no matter what shady shit was going on around town it should have been easy to lock this pair up throw away the key murder mystery solved...aren't we heros?
shouldn't have mattered what dibby dobbing either of them did still small time nobodies.
seems like such a travesty if it all comes down to the useless small time bit cops covered this all up so stupidly for side issues that were irrelevant to the case.
could have and should have put them away crime solved and nobody any the wiser about police corruption. :-O
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Postby dmac » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:50 pm
BB, your post indicates you're the one probably missing the point. You can't get there from here without looking at the coverup.
Bo, like most mob scum, couldn't keep his dick out of the blender. Always looking for MORE, a bigger pizza da pie, they end up doing very stupid shit for more money. A lot of made guys get whacked for bending the rules, and a lot of peons get whacked for far fewer infractions. I believe what I was told in 2010 by a relative of Bo's, the first to contact me. Anonymously, but the info has proved spot on. He was the first to say Bo did nothing unless there was something in it for him. He also said he was digging holes in the desert in Vegas, was doing pretty good for himself, but got kicked out of Clark County for being too obvious, and for making his connections with fake/corrupt cops too obvious. Pulling the old ticket scams supposedly benefiting real or fake benevolent societies was a huge moneymaker, and it got him the Sheriff Lamb County Line treatment.
Hell, I found myself working for one of the same exact scams in 1982. Phone sales, about 20 of us on the phones 8 hours a day for a week, we got one paycheck for the first couple days work, and we were fucked out of the rest. Skipped town, no show either for all those fake tickets. This scam was to benefit firemen. Right, exactly the kind of shit Bo was doing. Think of the money they were pulling in.
Bo's ability to make money rested on his ability to keep his shit together, which he couldn't. He was an idiot and at least an alcoholic. He used his family as unwitting mules, sending packages of drugs through them. He'd show up on a doorstep, and a "friendly visit from Uncle Bo" would become a few weeks on the couch, using their phone to pull scams, until someone gave him the boot. As a result, his value to the mob flowed and ebbed. I'd say tha by age 51, as he was on April 11, his best days were behind him. But he still knew the three-piece routine.
Ask yourself what he was doing in Keddie. I still believe four dead in 28 fucked whatever plans he had that put him on Marty's and Loon's couch. And never believe Marty and Bo first met, by accident, at the VA in Reno ten days before the murders. Disproved years ago. And because we KNOW they knew each other from before Keddie, we can only guess as to what their plans were. For weeks, Marty knew his world was imploding. No job, about to be evicted, he's fucking Sue, Loon's fucking Wade, Loon wants out, he's going apeshit. Dee Lake sets up the check-in at the VA, gives Marty some shit advice for how to claim newly-named PTSD benefits. But Bo is already in Reno, having got the boot from Clark County (Vegas). We can only guess what they had planned. Marty couldn't shit in his backyard if he had any intention of staying in Plumas. In other words. he and Bo planned on one of three things I can approach:
► something quite different locally- a scam or score that had nothing to do with sales scams
► the usual sales scams, but committed in other counties under different names
► hit and run: scam anything in sight and hit the road. Whether he wanted or believed Loon and rugrats would follow is probably something he was delusional about.
We don't know how well they knew each other, Keep in mind, Loon was with Marty for three years by now, so to believe she didn't know him yet is probably a sign you may be delusional! LOL. Seriously, we can logically only say they knew each other, had something planned, and 28 fucked the game plan. IF the Quincy Business Map has one bit of truth to it, it tells me Marty had already committed to fucking Plumas and hitting the road. He'd committed to Bo over whatever he thought Loon would do.
What part of reason/motive behind a coverup do you not understand?
Pigs don't expend this much effort to fuck justice unless there is some serious ass-covering going on. To prosecute Marty, Loon, Bo, et al, would apparently expose some highly embarrassing, and incredibly illegal, activities by those protected by a highly illegal perversion of justice. One doesn't go out, as LE, and commit a criminal coverup unless trying to keep the huge dick of Justice out of their own ass.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby Magnum PI » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:31 am
Unbelievable!! All these years of trying to figure out who actually gave J/D the ride that night. I've been out of the loop far to long, time to get back to reading!! Great work as always Dmac.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby Ausgirl » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:26 am
Once again, the murderers were handed to LE on a platter and, rather than follow up, LE buried it. Mike's recent contact was apparently both a surprise and the first time LE has spoken to the witness about the Sue/Marty fling since the report was filed in 81.
...incredible. Well, not really. More like gobsmackingly, absolutely credible.
No wonder they wanted Mike nowhere near this case. I hope enough is dug up to put Doug Thomas behind bars, where he fucking belongs.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:51 am
If, in future, anyone needs to know the line of dialogue between Mike and myself which led to "who drove them home" and MOTIVE, remind me of "you definitely have a way with words". That phrase leads directly to the rest, back when Mike and I were holding Karl Spang over that fart fire.
It makes no sense, unless you read where the emails lead.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:17 pm
I spent an hour on the phone with Mike Gamberg today- the first time we've talked for any length in a long while, probably since he called to explain how well the calls to Kathy Beckley and the Bartender went. That was back in 2018, before I decided to take an 18 month sabbatical from all things Keddie.
Well, since we brought it up among many topics, I may as well add some details which flesh out that scenario.
Mike has the full roster of who was in Sue's classes, and in one class (a business course, probably the typing class- he didn't recall off the top of his head) was Sue, Marilyn, Mike's wife (Linda), and the bartender who gave John and Dana the ride home, and confirmed Sue was having an affair with Marty.
This next part is mind-blowing. Remember the shot of DT standing at the open doorway of 28, pointing to blood or fingerprints above the living room light switch? The diminutive fellow next to him is Steve Wright, the undersheriff at the time. He's also the guy who did the diarama-type colored-pencil floorplan drawing, with the exploded view of the living room detailing where sections of the wall had been removed. Well, Steve is now clearly another suspect in the coverup (K⁴).
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Doug Thomas, leatherbound, with his diminutive minion, Steve Wright. Steve's wearing Tina's missing rainbow jeans.
It turns out, very early on, Steve interviewed the bartender. I don't believe the ride home was mentioned, as Kathy clearly wanted that hush-hush, but the bartender did speak of Sue and Marty having an affair. This included how scared the person had been for Sue, as Marty was a weird, squirrely freak of a dude who was insanely jealous of Sue.
Mike found this in the files file just prior to speaking with these two in 2018, yet it clearly shows PCSO had all the info to solve the case very shortly after the murders and did not act upon it.
In 1981, the killers were known, even their motives. Yet some at PCSO (DT, Stoy, DeCrona, Shanks, Wright, etc) conspired with at least Crimely of CA-DOJ to derail the investigation, and cover up that Marilyn, Marty, Bo, Dee, Tony, and several others committed the murders.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:23 pm
I have to reel WAAAAY back on this, maybe a quarter turn:
I recall Mike Gam saying "you have a way with words" as being centric to the solution. I know he'd said or written it to me. I even posted that I knew that phrase held the key to info on what is the SOLVE of the murders.
After talking to Gamberg today, I searched for that very term yet again, and found how The Solve went down.
Mike quoted a document about a Bartender, spoken to on the Karl Spang angle, back in 81. Mike and I had systematically taking few sources to discredit all Karl said. This Spang 'source' said Karl Spang is a lying piece of shit, he's a known liar, he was never at the bar that night (4-11/12). But this bartender said Marty was having an affair with Sue.
I'd love for Mike to allow me to quote the whole email/report (sans personal info joe-mcplumber and I hate to see). It was from this find about Barkeep/Affair that Gam asked if I thought it was relevant to my years-long certainty that Marty was jealous because Sue was knocking boots with Dareyl, 20 yards from Loon's and Marty's nuptual vantage.
THAT is when I said "LOOK AT KATHY B, the 830 dinner is a moronic lie" I'd brought it up before, but along with 1500 other things.I told him Kathy's mommy dinner excuse was a blatant lie, that Kathy lived right behind Chevron/Downtown TP, and J/D pestered her until she relented, accounting for J&D at Exxon, Chevron, Van Gas.
That's when Gam made the two calls which solved Who and Why.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby RobbersCreek » Fri May 01, 2020 2:32 am
Good to know Mr Gamberg is still chipping away at this. Seems like it’s getting closer than ever to some kind of resolution. Looks like it could have came sooner were it not for the constant bungling of the case by LE. But we all know their motives for that.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie
Postby dmac » Tue May 05, 2020 4:41 pm
I'd love to get a couple hundred together, wipe lock and load a decent ebay laptop will all the files, and load it with a desktop search engine as good as Copernic. why do I have names and answers so quickly in such a diverse and bullshit-filled case? My memory and my reliance on Copernic.
When I moved to London in 2000, I met up with Boo again. I updated her computer and installed Copernic, and taught her how to use it. She came back, asking about a real FBI agent who several copied to act as FBI. Same bullshit came up in my work on Bo. I mentioned her info on the agent was BS, but I'd solved Keddie- partially by seeing the fake FBI guy as BS. Wasn't til the People cover she thanked me.
If I could have 1/10th of what Mike has, this case would be more solved than ever yet just as impossible to prosecute. In Plumas.
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