Post by Hope on Sept 4, 2023 17:33:16 GMT
There has always been this cloud of confusion surrounding the DNA work performed in this case, especially when it comes to specific profiles identified. There are four specific DNA hits which have come up in recent years:
I was hoping to make sense of these different DNA items and began scouring all known DNA reports and posts. What I found surprised even me. I say that because even though I've known for a long time Keddie28 manipulates information, this was above & beyond. It made me realize he is worse than I ever gave him credit for & it makes me sick that someone would go through such lengths to misrepresent information. To misrepresent the truth, to change just enough to strengthen his theory knowing full well those changes completely alter the facts of the case and point the finger at innocent people.
To sum it up, any confusion exists only because of Dmac purposefully muddying the waters. The posts hinting at DNA belonging to Marilyn and DNA belonging to Tina aren't real. Both were invented around the 2014 DNA report which identified the female DNA as belonging to the Chico Criminalist and being contamination.
There are two purposes for this imo. The first is the most foul, and that is to convince people Marilyn participated in the homicides. This is especially gross behavior because he knows full well, no doubt, 100%, that Marilyn willingly submitted her DNA back in 2014. Instead of being transparent with information, he chooses to leave this out every chance possible. Can't misrepresent DNA results and pretend there's a possibility it's hers if everyone is aware this is impossible since they'd had her DNA on file. So, he has omitted that information every chance possible - in his little recreation of "Gamberg's 2013-2015" and by cropping the 2014 DNA report. This allowed him to misrepresent the findings and twist what was proven to be contamination into DNA belonging to Marilyn.
His second purpose is an attempt to make people believe DNA was found which supports his theory that Tina died in the cabin. By inventing this carpet blood sample with female DNA. IMO this is something he straight made up. I believe he made all this up through his "way with words" and twisting of legitimate information. It has all been built around the female DNA found to be contamination.
They didn't always know it was contamination. From c 2004-2007 to 2014 they did believe they had an unidentified female suspect because of the items this DNA was found on - electric cords & especially the tape used on Sue's gag . The profile was discovered and uploaded to CODIS c. 2007. However in 2014 it was matched to a female DNA Criminalist & removed from CODIS. He's using those old results to invent shit. There is no other female DNA, just the contamination.
At this point I'm convinced of this, I feel certain in what has been pieced together, it all lines up. If there's a flaw in my deductions or something I've missed please let me know. I'm going to lay this all out. Please bear with me as it's a lot to cover and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do so.
For now I'm going to start with some of what we've been told over the past few years. I also want to point out, let's step back and revisit how Justin's alleged DNA match was portrayed to the public. For years we heard Justin's DNA had been found. People were told it was absolute proof he participated or was forced to participate. It was described as being found on a "weapon", in the "kill zone" and there was no other explanation besides Justin being involved. None of this turned out to be true. It was on a piece of tape, a piece of tape that had always been discussed as the "discarded piece of tape" - which is the best description for it. It was found on the floor, not in the "kill zone", but further away from the victims, near the entry to the kitchen. Instead of saying "remember that piece of tape we always talked about, the one we believed had been discarded and was found on the floor? Well Justin's DNA was on it``. Instead of this, he preferred to describe it as a "weapon", in the "kill zone". Predisposing people to the belief there was no doubt Justin was involved. It wasn't until the evening before Metcalfe's three part series came out that he posted the following:
Re: Meeks Spilling Keddnie beans
Postby dmac » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:54 pm
The article in the Plumas News will reveal what I haven't. Justin's DNA was found on a strip of medical tape discarded near Sue's head. Many may recall my pointing out that 6-inch strip of tape years back when reviewing CS photos. Shit, I never included it when compiling how many rolls of tape must have been brought by the killers in this obviously, blatantly, premeditated murder by fucking idiots. Well, I logically couldn't include it, could I? I don't know the width. I can't attribute to either column.
Great! He'd already spent years exaggerating Justin's DNA match. The damage was already done. Instead of being honest, he preferred to make it sound as bad as possible. Gamberg may not have named Justin in that article, but he & Metcalf went ahead and described him as a "living suspect". By this point everyone knew who they were talking about because Gam had been allowing his buddy to misrepresent the findings for years, in a way that made Justin appear as guilty as can be. The way Justin's DNA was portrayed shows us that we've seen him twist and misrepresent findings before. Nothing he says can be believed.
Ok, here are some of the DNA comments made which led to this post:
Re: 810413 PCSO Stoy's Evidence & Photographic Report, 9 pgs
by dmac » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:51 am
The only DNA I can discuss is female DNA was found in the KZ, as was Justin's.
- Female DNA found to be the result of contamination & matched to a female Criminalist (this one is 100% factual & verified through DOJ lab report)
- Justin's on the tape (report has not been released to corroborate findings)
- Unidentified female DNA portrayed as likely belonging to Marilyn & proof she participated (nothing to corroborate this but it is hinted at frequently by keddie28)
- Unidentified female DNA found in a mixture of blood found in a carpet sample (again nothing to corroborate this but frequently mentioned by keddie28 and hinted as belonging to Tina)
I was hoping to make sense of these different DNA items and began scouring all known DNA reports and posts. What I found surprised even me. I say that because even though I've known for a long time Keddie28 manipulates information, this was above & beyond. It made me realize he is worse than I ever gave him credit for & it makes me sick that someone would go through such lengths to misrepresent information. To misrepresent the truth, to change just enough to strengthen his theory knowing full well those changes completely alter the facts of the case and point the finger at innocent people.
To sum it up, any confusion exists only because of Dmac purposefully muddying the waters. The posts hinting at DNA belonging to Marilyn and DNA belonging to Tina aren't real. Both were invented around the 2014 DNA report which identified the female DNA as belonging to the Chico Criminalist and being contamination.
There are two purposes for this imo. The first is the most foul, and that is to convince people Marilyn participated in the homicides. This is especially gross behavior because he knows full well, no doubt, 100%, that Marilyn willingly submitted her DNA back in 2014. Instead of being transparent with information, he chooses to leave this out every chance possible. Can't misrepresent DNA results and pretend there's a possibility it's hers if everyone is aware this is impossible since they'd had her DNA on file. So, he has omitted that information every chance possible - in his little recreation of "Gamberg's 2013-2015" and by cropping the 2014 DNA report. This allowed him to misrepresent the findings and twist what was proven to be contamination into DNA belonging to Marilyn.
His second purpose is an attempt to make people believe DNA was found which supports his theory that Tina died in the cabin. By inventing this carpet blood sample with female DNA. IMO this is something he straight made up. I believe he made all this up through his "way with words" and twisting of legitimate information. It has all been built around the female DNA found to be contamination.
They didn't always know it was contamination. From c 2004-2007 to 2014 they did believe they had an unidentified female suspect because of the items this DNA was found on - electric cords & especially the tape used on Sue's gag . The profile was discovered and uploaded to CODIS c. 2007. However in 2014 it was matched to a female DNA Criminalist & removed from CODIS. He's using those old results to invent shit. There is no other female DNA, just the contamination.
At this point I'm convinced of this, I feel certain in what has been pieced together, it all lines up. If there's a flaw in my deductions or something I've missed please let me know. I'm going to lay this all out. Please bear with me as it's a lot to cover and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do so.
For now I'm going to start with some of what we've been told over the past few years. I also want to point out, let's step back and revisit how Justin's alleged DNA match was portrayed to the public. For years we heard Justin's DNA had been found. People were told it was absolute proof he participated or was forced to participate. It was described as being found on a "weapon", in the "kill zone" and there was no other explanation besides Justin being involved. None of this turned out to be true. It was on a piece of tape, a piece of tape that had always been discussed as the "discarded piece of tape" - which is the best description for it. It was found on the floor, not in the "kill zone", but further away from the victims, near the entry to the kitchen. Instead of saying "remember that piece of tape we always talked about, the one we believed had been discarded and was found on the floor? Well Justin's DNA was on it``. Instead of this, he preferred to describe it as a "weapon", in the "kill zone". Predisposing people to the belief there was no doubt Justin was involved. It wasn't until the evening before Metcalfe's three part series came out that he posted the following:
Re: Meeks Spilling Keddnie beans
Postby dmac » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:54 pm
The article in the Plumas News will reveal what I haven't. Justin's DNA was found on a strip of medical tape discarded near Sue's head. Many may recall my pointing out that 6-inch strip of tape years back when reviewing CS photos. Shit, I never included it when compiling how many rolls of tape must have been brought by the killers in this obviously, blatantly, premeditated murder by fucking idiots. Well, I logically couldn't include it, could I? I don't know the width. I can't attribute to either column.
Great! He'd already spent years exaggerating Justin's DNA match. The damage was already done. Instead of being honest, he preferred to make it sound as bad as possible. Gamberg may not have named Justin in that article, but he & Metcalf went ahead and described him as a "living suspect". By this point everyone knew who they were talking about because Gam had been allowing his buddy to misrepresent the findings for years, in a way that made Justin appear as guilty as can be. The way Justin's DNA was portrayed shows us that we've seen him twist and misrepresent findings before. Nothing he says can be believed.
Ok, here are some of the DNA comments made which led to this post:
Re: 810413 PCSO Stoy's Evidence & Photographic Report, 9 pgs
by dmac » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:51 am
The only DNA I can discuss is female DNA was found in the KZ, as was Justin's.
Re: 810413 PCSO Stoy's Evidence & Photographic Report, 9 pgs
by dmac » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:46 am
No, a table radio like this
No, the 'female DNA' came from blood, seemingly from carpet samples. Heavy bleeding would be my thought for the source. As in Tina or Sue, not Loon.
I wish Loon, Marty, Bo, Dee, Tony, et all, had been killed instead, of course.
There is more direct evidence I can't yet discuss, but let's just say this: The Loonibi proves who did this, and the affair proves why. Maybe I should update the Loonibi thread, as I haven't looked at it in Yonks. What I know now vs what I knew last time I looked may alarm me
by dmac » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:46 am
No, a table radio like this
No, the 'female DNA' came from blood, seemingly from carpet samples. Heavy bleeding would be my thought for the source. As in Tina or Sue, not Loon.
I wish Loon, Marty, Bo, Dee, Tony, et all, had been killed instead, of course.
There is more direct evidence I can't yet discuss, but let's just say this: The Loonibi proves who did this, and the affair proves why. Maybe I should update the Loonibi thread, as I haven't looked at it in Yonks. What I know now vs what I knew last time I looked may alarm me
2020
Keddie28 FB Post
6 Sept-- Speaking of DNA, multiple reports show DNA found on Sue's bindings are consistent with Sue as well as a minor female contributor. I believe Loon bound the victims, at least Sue
Keddie28 FB Post
6 Sept-- Speaking of DNA, multiple reports show DNA found on Sue's bindings are consistent with Sue as well as a minor female contributor. I believe Loon bound the victims, at least Sue
keddie28.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1726
Re: Victims Blood Type
by dmac » Wed May 20, 2020 7:50 pm
For the longest time, the line/belief was no female DNA was found. Now we have info that both male and female DNA was found in the kill zone, not including Justin's DNA hit. We don't know which bit(s) of evidence produced results. And we don't even know if there's enough of the crime kits on Dana, Sue and John for comparative DNA. I have spoken about it a few times, such as here, but it was such a muffed job that, unless DNA is found that matches a suspect, Vx DNA offers little more than confirmation of where they traveled within the living room while being murdered in stages.
Re: Victims Blood Type
by dmac » Wed May 20, 2020 7:50 pm
For the longest time, the line/belief was no female DNA was found. Now we have info that both male and female DNA was found in the kill zone, not including Justin's DNA hit. We don't know which bit(s) of evidence produced results. And we don't even know if there's enough of the crime kits on Dana, Sue and John for comparative DNA. I have spoken about it a few times, such as here, but it was such a muffed job that, unless DNA is found that matches a suspect, Vx DNA offers little more than confirmation of where they traveled within the living room while being murdered in stages.